Bloods or feel?

[Jickzer]

A lot of you guys preach blood work to find your levels, and I don't disagree that it's a good idea, but who here has dialed in your doses by sides and physical results alone? Before I ever pinned my first shot of test I did a lot of reading and studying, watching yt videos and listening to all the bro science. When I started adding various compounds I have to admit it was a little haphazard and I was seeing some unwanted sides. So I started over using the gradual addition and subtraction method. 25mg test eod, then after that seemed to be going well I added a small amount of mast and primo on the odd days. I'd wait a week or two before adding anything else. There has been a few things I had to take out or reduce based on the way I felt, and I have to say I've found my perfect cruising dose.

Odd days:
25mg test c
20mg npp
40mg primo e
20mg mast p

Even days:
75mg tren e
40mg primo e
20mg mast p

840mg/week aas

Also on top of this I take 1mg Arimidex every day, 500hcg, 10hgh, and a bunch of peptides and some vitamin shots eod with L carn. I'll be getting some bloods here soon to compare with my baseline pre trt but based on how I feel and the results I'm getting so far I'm satisfied. Anyone else go this route?

 

[AlwaysHungry]

I’ve learned to dial in through feelings. And verify it by bloodwork. Don’t get me wrong blood work it’s the indicator how thing are going AT THE TIME YOU PULLED THE BLOOD AND ONLY THEN. Not 5 minutes later not 5 minutes earlier.
You can become obsessed with bloodwork.

I do bloodwork to see my health markers mainly. I won’t do bloods every 2 weeks to check my estrogen.
So as far as e2 PRL I go mainly by sides.
BUT IVE BEEN THROUGH SHIT to learn control it that way. Would be a lot less hassle if for some months I had constant bloodwork.
High e2 Low e2 can feel very same if you’re not perfectly in tune with your body.

 

[explodingHeart]

I can predict my E2 levels within 5-10 points based on how hard my nipples get.

Does that count?

 

[mochul]

You are already spending that much money on hgh and steroids. A little extra for e2 goes along wat than guessing.

 

[Benf15harp]

Never had a blood test.

 

[Jickzer]

I can predict my E2 levels within 5-10 points based on how hard my nipples get.

Does that count?

I can predict mine by how irritated I get if my girlfriend leaves the toilet seat down

 

[trendbolwinstrol]

send your used pads and tampons in and let them test it

 

[ChevChelios]

Tbh both are essential, but especially if you’re just starting out it’s best if you do bloodwork as often as you can as that helps you verify if what you’re feeling is actually what your body is going through (sometimes you might just have a shit day or feel weird etc… n you’d blame it on something that could be totally unrelated).

Imo just like another guy said it’s something you learn through experience n the more you go forward the more you get to know yourself n your body which is useful for pretty much anything even stuff that’s totally unrelated

 

[DECLAN]

The more experienced you are and the older you get, chances are you take less risk and get bloodwork done; plus you have more resources and know how to get things done.

However, most of us older folks needed it to nail our ai doses or because our docs require us as part of our trt regimen. My issues are on elevated rbc, h and h even at trt dose of 60mg a week so, i need to get blood work every 3 months to monitor it.

Younger folks though, take more risk and base it all on feels, you can get by till you get hit by gyno or sideffects that can’t be corrected because its too late.

 

[Davidinovg]

I'm not sure I understood well.

Are you cruising on over 800mg of different compounds?

 

[Juicedhead]

I’ve learned to dial in through feelings. And verify it by bloodwork. Don’t get me wrong blood work it’s the indicator how thing are going AT THE TIME YOU PULLED THE BLOOD AND ONLY THEN. Not 5 minutes later not 5 minutes earlier.
You can become obsessed with bloodwork.

I do bloodwork to see my health markers mainly. I won’t do bloods every 2 weeks to check my estrogen.
So as far as e2 PRL I go mainly by sides.
BUT IVE BEEN THROUGH SHIT to learn control it that way. Would be a lot less hassle if for some months I had constant bloodwork.
High e2 Low e2 can feel very same if you’re not perfectly in tune with your body.

curious what do you look out for to know when your e2 is high?

 

[explodingHeart]

The more experienced you are and the older you get, chances are you take less risk and get bloodwork done; plus you have more resources and know how to get things done.

However, most of us older folks needed it to nail our ai doses or because our docs require us as part of our trt regimen. My issues are on elevated rbc, h and h even at trt dose of 60mg a week so, i need to get blood work every 3 months to monitor it.

Younger folks though, take more risk and base it all on feels, you can get by till you get hit by gyno or sideffects that can’t be corrected because its too late.

Hemoglobin meter helps a lot with this. You only get once chance to check it on blood tests.

With a meter you can check in the morning when dehydrated, then at night once every two weeks or so.

 

[Eddie.]

Maybe after many years of gear use you might know how to interpret symptoms but once in a while it doesn't cost that much to test at least the most necessary markers. Currently i'm running my first test cycle and after 4 weeks in because i had the sense that i aromatize ez my e2 went down to 24 with half aromasin per week, i stopped it for 2 weeks to let e2 go up to 40-50 and when i went to check it again i was feeling a little off and i thought it may had gone even lower due to its active half life and boom, e2 was 77 lol. Ofc no nipple sensitivity, no excess water retention and bp the same as always. So this tought me to not trust my feelings, i am far from interpreting a situation at least for now that i have not the experience.

 

[Jickzer]

I'm not sure I understood well.

Are you cruising on over 800mg of different compounds?

Yes, I only tolerate 25mg eod of test, I tried 25ed and that was too much, also tren and npp I'm limited on the amount I can take without sides, I was using more mast and less primo and had some agro, so I've fine tuned that as well to a 2:3 ratio. To get up to 840/wk and feel good mentally and physically the cocktail is what is working for me. I experimented slowly with each, paid attention to feels and made adjustments, adding and subtracting small amounts of one compound at a time. For now 840 is giving me the results I want so I don't plan on going up from there any time soon, although I do throw in a 25var for a pre workout on occasion other than that what I listed is my cruising protocol.

 

[Sampei]

I’ve learned to dial in through feelings. And verify it by bloodwork. Don’t get me wrong blood work it’s the indicator how thing are going AT THE TIME YOU PULLED THE BLOOD AND ONLY THEN. Not 5 minutes later not 5 minutes earlier.
You can become obsessed with bloodwork.

I do bloodwork to see my health markers mainly. I won’t do bloods every 2 weeks to check my estrogen.
So as far as e2 PRL I go mainly by sides.
BUT IVE BEEN THROUGH SHIT to learn control it that way. Would be a lot less hassle if for some months I had constant bloodwork.
High e2 Low e2 can feel very same if you’re not perfectly in tune with your body.

That's the thing, high e2 low E2 feels mostly the same to me. Dick doesn't work well on both side of it. Fucking nightmare

Put prolactine in the mix and it becomes a dog chasing tail kinda of game.

Thing is in my country there is no sensitive E2 blood test available so even when I draw blood the number are a little bit skewed, a normal E2 test have problem measuring the E2 of a male because usually they are lower then of female. Pain in the fucking ass.

 

[Jickzer]

The more experienced you are and the older you get, chances are you take less risk and get bloodwork done; plus you have more resources and know how to get things done.

However, most of us older folks needed it to nail our ai doses or because our docs require us as part of our trt regimen. My issues are on elevated rbc, h and h even at trt dose of 60mg a week so, i need to get blood work every 3 months to monitor it.

Younger folks though, take more risk and base it all on feels, you can get by till you get hit by gyno or sideffects that can’t be corrected because its too late.

Yep I'll be focusing more on that in the future, one of the main reasons I posted this is because it makes me cringe when I see a new guy post that he's going to start his first blast with x100s amount of different aas, thats an invitation for failure. If a person is testing his markers weekly this might be okay but otherwise I'd rather see someone start off slow and work up in a scientific method of experimenting and observing little by little. Minimizing sides and getting to know what your body tolerates, as well as the occasional blood work, is less reckless and you also get an idea of what works for you.

 

[Davidinovg]

I don't know how big you are to cruise on 800mg, I hope you are at least 280/300 pounds and compete so you need to preserve a lot of muscle during this phase as most of the people cruise on much less.

Btw check your health markers and make your considerations based on that, if you are happy with them go ahead but I'm pretty sure you won't be that good healthwise considering the amount you taking, but we all respond different so your healthmarkers may be perfect on that doses.

IMO a cruising phase is a phase where you try to recover your health markers that have been fucked up during your blast and preserve as much muscle as possible and as I said unless you are giant monster, this can be easily done with test only.

But hey to each their own.

 

[Jickzer]

I do

I don't know how big you are to cruise on 800mg, I hope you are at least 280/300 pounds and compete so you need to preserve a lot of muscle during this phase as most of the people cruise on much less.

Btw check your health markers and make your considerations based on that, if you are happy with them go ahead but I'm pretty sure you won't be that good healthwise considering the amount you taking, but we all respond different so your healthmarkers may be perfect on that doses.

IMO a cruising phase is a phase where you try to recover your health markers that have been fucked up during your blast and preserve as much muscle as possible and as I said unless you are giant monster, this can be easily done with test only.

But hey to each their own.

I don't have a timeline set but at some point I'll go back on trt dose, but yeah I've dropped 15% body fat and gained a significant amount of muscle in about 3 months, so call it a blast if you want but then again is it called a blast if it's not for a short period, the time frame is why I call it a cruise. And just like I said a few lines back, now that I've found my dose that I feel good on, it's time for some blood work and I'll adjust accordingly. Thanks for your concern, and I do believe you are correct, how people respond to different aas and doses is highly individual. However, in the future I would definitely consider using these doses as a blast for a few months, considering im healthy, and cruise on test and probably mast or primo closer to 200-300mg week total aas.

 

[narta]

Bloodwork is a health thing. Feel is.... feel. I don't blindly go by numbers. I FEEL the best on 120mg/week Test D even if my numbers show me in the 700s. I don't need to be in the upper 900s to BE my best.

And bw is more to check on health markers like RBC/HTC, HDL/LDL, CRP, liver and kidneys.

 

[Jickzer]

Bloodwork is a health thing. Feel is.... feel. I don't blindly go by numbers. I FEEL the best on 120mg/week Test D even if my numbers show me in the 700s. I don't need to be in the upper 900s to BE my best.

And bw is more to check on health markers like RBC/HTC, HDL/LDL, CRP, liver and kidneys.

Yeah it'll be interesting to compare from before I started anything. I got a comprehensive test done at Marek before I started even so much as a multivitamin. I'll be getting the bw next week. BTW, it was well worth the money to have that done and it included a consult with a health coach to go over all the markers and included a report with options for improving the majority of levels, and a virtual appointment with him and a physician's assistant. I decided to go with ugl after I was sent a treatment plan with some crazy prices, semaglutide like $1000 for 5mg, a bottle of test for $250 and a bunch of other stuff that added up to about 3 to 5k a month depending on my choices. If a person is willing to spend that kind of money, it's a great option because they do bloods after 3 months again and once a year after along with coaching. I think I've learned enough from them and doing my own research that I can move forward safely from there.