[Bloodwork][Alpha Pharma][Test E/Testobolin]

[Galileo]

Blood was drawn near the conclusion of a cycle.
The cycle was 14 pins total (~1 week apart), with blood being drawn on the day of the 14th pin but PRIOR to pinning, thus, blood was drawn 1 week after pin nr 13 (250mg TE).
Pins 1-4: 750mg TE
Pins 5-8: 500mg TE
Pins 9-14= 250mg TE

- Concurrent use of anadrol.
- hCG was pinned Q3D.
- Arimidex was not used the final weeks where 250mg TE was pinned.

The TE product in question was Testobolin amps from Alpha Pharma

TT result: 14.1 nmol/L (406 ng/dL)

Test subject: Age late 20s

 

[mercury]

this indeed proved that AP is bunk underdosed. thanks for posting, labmax in another thread showed that it was bunk.

I hear it all the time that underdosed it proves that it is not pharmaceutical company.

 

[devildog93]

More blood tests are always good. Thanks for posting some results and i'm sorry you got the shaft on this. It looks pretty bad.

 

[dmt31]

this indeed proved that AP is bunk underdosed. thanks for posting, labmax in another thread showed that it was bunk.

I hear it all the time that underdosed it proves that it is not pharmaceutical company.

Not neccessarily.... This is a draw 7 days after 250mg injection, when he had only been on 250mg a week for enough time for his TT values to drop significantly over the 5 week span.

That is not really any proof of anything quite frankly. It just shows us there is some Test E in the vial, but we can't accurately figure out the dosing. From this information IMO.

 

[mercury]

250 mg/ml should give you even after week around 1500 ng/dl

normal levels are around up to / around 1000 ng/ml

 

[jymis]

250 mg/ml should give you even after week around 1500 ng/dl

normal levels are around up to / around 1000 ng/ml

Exactly! 400 on 250mg a week 7 days after pin is LOW. I was 5 days after pin on less then half that dose and scored higher.

 

[Galileo]

Everyone, HOLD ON.... I fear something is being lost in translation here...

Can we agree on the unit of measurement here?

The TT value was supplied to be as 14.1 nmol/L. This converts to 406 ng/dL according to http://www.endmemo.com/medical/unitconvert/Testosterone.php

Yet I see ng/mL mentioned (?). And as explained below, something is completely off in regards to unit conversion and comparison...

normal levels are around up to / around 1000 ng/ml

- The ref. values from this lab (which is a hospital and 100% legit G2G) is 8.02 - 25.50, that's 213-735 ng/dL reference. .
- Also... I can tell you that the "average/middle value" listed for age 20-50 male is 16.8 nmol/L which is 484 ng/dL for average value.

In other words, 1 week after pinning 250mg Test E from AP, after 5 weekly pins of 250mg Test E the TT value was 84% of the middle value for that lab's analysis.

 

[mercury]

I do not think that we made any mistake your levels are very low,

it is bunk, underdosed gear.

 

[Bradly]

Im curious which reseller this came from

 

[dmt31]

I do not think that we made any mistake your levels are very low,

it is bunk, underdosed gear.

I respectfully disagree. I have a lot of respect for you and your opinion but I think you're off on this one brother. I'll go back to my example of Test Cyp, which has a longer half-life than Test E, when after 6 weeks of 160mg/wk, on the 7th day I was in the low 300's. If we account for the half life difference, I think that the test in this thread is perfectly reasonable. We're expecting too much at this point IMO. EVERY source of Test can't be underdosed. It's just not feasible. Plausible? Yes. Probable? No. Again at least not in my opinion. We're also not account for the person's height, weight, body fat, or any other variables with can effect TT results.

 

[Galileo]

Cliff's notes and easy-read summary:
- a TT measurement was done 1 week after a pin of 250mg TE, the 5th weekly pin in a row of 250 (this was 13 weeks into an AAS cycle and oxy was used as well, a high dose, so reasonably NO endogenous T at this point)
- The lab. references for the TT reading from this lab are: 213-735 ng/dL
- The average value for the TT test from said lab is: 484 ng/dL
- The bloodwork value was 406 ng/dL

If you are going to argue that the TE is underdosed, and please do so if you believe his, but please do so based on these numbers.

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I can make no sense of this:

250 mg/ml should give you even after week around 1500 ng/dl

normal levels are around up to / around 1000 ng/ml

https://www.nebido.com/tools/index.php/en/default/index/conversion-tool

Normal levels being 1000 ng/ml? The scale does not even allow for that value. You must mean 1000 ng/dL which is 10 ng/mL which is 34.7 nmol/L.

As you can see, 34.7 nmol/L is QUITE outside of reference for the lab values I mention. It is twice the average value, and 136% of the high end value of the normal ref.

I am just as interested in finding out if AP is underdosed or G2G as you are. But without explaining in detail, and without using these numbers in arguing why AP is underdosed then it appears to be a blind jump to a conclusion (I don't mean to offend when writing this).

 

[curgen]

The OP is using a very irregular dosing schedule, which makes any analysis very difficult. Once a week pins that taper heavily front start to finish. To give you an idea what I mean, check out this graph plotting the OP's cycle:

A 5-day half life was used. Not only is it not a smooth curve by any stretch, it tapers off from week 4 on. If you take a look at levels at week 14 (I didn't bother plotting the 14th pin since the blood was drawn before it occurred), you see that they're at the lowest levels of the entire cycle. I'm not sure how much we can really conclude from these results, if anything. I'd be much more interested in results taken from midway through a non-tapering cycle with E3D pins, or bi-weekly at least. What we're seeing here is the lowest possible test level for the entire cycle, and it's not surprising that it's very near or at PCT start-up levels.

That said, let's compare the levels at week 14 to elsewhere in the cycle.. At week 14, the graph shows levels at 20mg. At the highest point, they were roughly 150mg. So with some basic math, and knowing that 20mg on this chart is equivalent to 406ng/dl for this user, we can estimate that the highest level was about 3045.

(150/20)*406=3045

Not great considering the front load, but impossible to say for sure since we're left to extrapolate from one data point at the end of the curve.

Seems under-dosed, but the only way to know for sure is to get a baseline with pharma-grade and compare. The next best thing is to use a dosing schedule that stabilizes blood levels and draw blood midway through 24-48 hrs after a pin.

If this were a TRT patient, he'd still have values in the normal range, albeit low, immediately before the next pin. 250mg/wk isn't an unheard of dose for TRT patients.

So again, probably under dosed, but my feeling is that it's not as badly under dosed as these results let on for the reasons outlined above.

 

[Manny]

Just saw a buddy in the gym today and he said he's on this gear. Just sent him a link to follow to this thread. Thx for posting and all the input guys.

 

[Galileo]

Two baseline readings were gotten prior to any use of AAS and under proper conditions. Empty stomach, before noon, good night's sleep, etc.

Both of those pre-AAS baseline values were around 400 ng/dl.

 

[Galileo]

Adding to this. SHBG was measured along with baseline TT. In both cases, SHBG was "correspondingly low", yielding an average free testosterone.

So, what if the subject is merely a hyper metabolizer/hyper excreter? That, I suppose, has to be taken into account as well.

Curgen, thanks for your contribution, but I don't understand the issue with measuring TT 1 week after pinning 250mg after 5 weekly pins.. (?)

With my layman's, limited knowledge, I do not see grounds right now for concluding "under dosed", especially not given the proper reference ranges I've supplied here.

Btw, I was not insiniuating anything in regards to whomever gentlemen are preparing a lab analysis of a random AP sample. Excellent! I am merely stating that it need be men of honor and a truly random, legit sample (or two, 1 from a diff. batch) so the analysis is conclusive. I don't "know" anybody in this environment or game. It was a general statement.

 

[Galileo]

Paging @Dr JIM - Hope you may share an opinion?

Or is there any way one can convince you to conduct a quantitative analysis of a random AP sample and settle this issue once and for all? I understand you do not offer testing as you did previously.

And to everyone: I still hope someone will explain in layman's terms, using these numbers, why you believe it is underdosed/dosed correctly.

 

[Rjs725]

Alpha Pharma is UGL grade first off, so 250mg isn't gonna be like 250mg that you would pin from a prescription. Plus the bloods were taken 7 days after pinning! Sorry, but everyone reacts to testosterone different. 250mg could very easily place him at only 1000 -1250 ng/dl for the first few days and then steadily fall.

My bloods on 600mg, split into two doses a week of test e came back at 3100 ng/dl 68 hours after pinning. I was very satisfied with the result. Meso is full of people with too high of expectations.

 

[dmt31]

Alpha Pharma is UGL grade first off, so 250mg isn't gonna be like 250mg that you would pin from a prescription. Plus the bloods were taken 7 days after pinning! Sorry, but everyone reacts to testosterone different. 250mg could very easily place him at only 1000 -1250 ng/dl for the first few days and then steadily fall.

My bloods on 600mg, split into two doses a week of test e came back at 3100 ng/dl 68 hours after pinning. I was very satisfied with the result. Meso is full of people with too high of expectations.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[jackmeoff1]

Who was the reseller?

 

[urbangroop]

Reseller? Please