[Bloodwork] Geneza Test-C 250

[dascom]

I am on Geneza Pharmaceuticals Test-Cyp 250 for TRT.
0.5 ml every 3 days. First time on any steroid.
Approximate starting blood level of 167 ng/dl

Blood drawn 6 weeks and a few days after starting.
46 hours from last pin.
New level 0f 1424 ng/dl

The problem is i never felt any positive effects from this increase.
No libido enhancement or any other expected results.

My starting Estradiol was 38 pg/ml that went to a high of 84 pg/ml. Would that be a factor in results?

And my FSH went from 7.53 mIU/ml too < 0.7 mIU/ml.
LH from 4.60 mIU/ml too < 0.2 .

I am 6'3", 250 ... 59 years old

Open to ideas

 

[jackmeoff1]

This is similar to the numbers I get off 200 mg of my pharmacuetical testosterone. I usually get slightly lower.

You need a little AI in there man. That will keep you feeling like crap.

 

[dper726]

Your testosterone is converting to estrogen. Control it with an AI. I would personally do 1mg of armidex every 3 days. Works for me. If you like start with .5mg every 3 days instead, get new bloods and go from there.

Your FSH and LH are shut down, which is normal considering what you are providing your body with in testosterone. You might want to lower your dosage, considering your levels will be to high for TRT purposes.

Look around here in the mens health section, good info reads on TRT. Or just do a search in forums. Theres about 10 years + accumulated info in here.

 

[I_know_nothing]

different people respond differently to test. the numbers dont lie though...

 

[dper726]

different people respond differently to test. the numbers dont lie though...

Here you go with your bullshit again. He is asking for help to a problem that is obvious in his bloods. Cant you just offer that?

 

[I_know_nothing]

Here you go with your bullshit again. He is asking for help to a problem that is obvious in his bloods. Cant you just offer that?

"The problem is i never felt any positive effects from this increase.
No libido enhancement or any other expected results."

I was addressing the above statement he said. the blood test doesn't lie, test levels are way elevated. but not everyone is going to have raging libido, tremendous strength and confidence gains,etc. I was addressing his possible concern that the test was not doing it's job, and I'ms saying it is- his levels are elevated.

 

[dper726]

His estrogen is elevated

 

[I_know_nothing]

i saw that, but i dont believe that would greatly adversely affect his results in terms of strength. it might affect his mood/nips/bloat, but he didnt mention any of those sides. he should try to get his levels back to normal ranges if possible.

 

[jackmeoff1]

i saw that, but i dont believe that would greatly adversely affect his results in terms of strength. it might affect his mood/nips/bloat, but he didnt mention any of those sides. he should try to get his levels back to normal ranges if possible.

Estrogen can effect mood and libido. I've experienced both ends, too low and too high and it can be just as shitty as low t itself.

 

[SuperJew]

At 59, you're not a young guy, but I would still expect to see a libido increase with that kind of testosterone elevation. I agree with what others stated, the lack of enhanced libido is likely due to elevated estradiol. In my opinion, the dose of Arimidex required would depend on whether it's pharmaceutical grade or research. I believe the vast majority of research Arimidex is underdosed.

No positive results in muscle mass or strength?

 

[dascom]

Thanks for the replies. To be honest i was thinking the test was bunk. I have felt absolutely nothing positive. Of course it is discouraging. i think i will cut the dose down
to try and get in the 1000 range.
Is armidex and anastozole about the same? Not sure where to get armidex.

From what reading i have done a level of 20 on the estradiol would be ideal?

 

[SuperJew]

No, it's legit. 250mgs per week brought you up to 1424, which is a significant increase from your starting point. I'm not an HRT Dr. but I'd imagine 1424 would make a 59 old man feel pretty darn good. The issue with androgens is that they convert to estrogen, which as other explained, can ruin libido and mood if it's too high.

Yes, arimidex is the brand name for anastrozole. I think CEM is still the research sponsor here, but I've been away for quite awhile, not 100% sure. Perhaps try 0.5 every other day and retest E2, titrate dose from there.

Does your insurance cover TRT? Your original labs, along with your age, make you a candidate.

 

[dper726]

From what I can recall high estrogen gave me erection issues along with the lack of better feeling effect.

 

[dper726]

Thanks for the replies. To be honest i was thinking the test was bunk. I have felt absolutely nothing positive. Of course it is discouraging. i think i will cut the dose down
to try and get in the 1000 range.
Is armidex and anastozole about the same? Not sure where to get armidex.

From what reading i have done a level of 20 on the estradiol would be ideal?

At 167 natural test you should be a candidate for trt. Just specify you don't want the gel. Sell them the bulkshit that you are constantly shirtless sweating out doors playing with nieces rolling on the mud whatever the case to affect it and him not prescribe you that bullshit.

If you could start an AI and maintain that dossage then two weeks take another blood sample and see where you stand. An estrogen score of 20 is good in range and should have you running around bending iron.

 

[movingiron88]

Why isn't anyone commenting on his low test scores on 291mgs of test a week. He tested 48 hrs after his last injection. This should make him a candidate for the 10x rule. What source did you get this pharmaceutical test from?

 

[dascom]

This was direct from naps. And i don't think i would call it pharmaceutical grade.
As far as i know it is just naps brand.

 

[rpbb]

Why isn't anyone commenting on his low test scores on 291mgs of test a week. He tested 48 hrs after his last injection. This should make him a candidate for the 10x rule. What source did you get this pharmaceutical test from?

I'll jump in, I think those numbers are fine for ugl gear. for some reason, everyone seems to think that you'll get pharm grade numbers from ugl gear, and I'm not convinced that's gonna happen unless you can get access to the super secret sources around here. by the way, I've never used naps and never will. do all of my ordering domestic

 

[dper726]

Why isn't anyone commenting on his low test scores on 291mgs of test a week. He tested 48 hrs after his last injection. This should make him a candidate for the 10x rule. What source did you get this pharmaceutical test from?

Quite frankly I'm tired of the debate considering the hundreds of pages on the discussion. While it is still questionable there is bigger fish to fry with this person. Such as his elevated estrogen which is the help he is truly seeking.

 

[dper726]

Also geneza had a history here of being all over the place inconsistently with bloodwork

 

[movingiron88]

Quite frankly I'm tired of the debate considering the hundreds of pages on the discussion. While it is still questionable there is bigger fish to fry with this person. Such as his elevated estrogen which is the help he is truly seeking.

I don't think anyone started a debate here. I want to point out the fact that if 10x is true then he has an e2 level of 84 on 125mg of test. A bit high for that dosage?