brewing without heat - what would happen ?

[whoremoan1]

should everything be heated to a certain point ?
if i was able to do all my stuff without heat and nothing crashing, would there be any negatives ?


i heard pip is more likely to occur without heated , i also heard heat can make it less potent
any truth to this ?

 

[theotherguy]

I could see the possibility of higher PIP, but I don't see how it could be less potent. If anything I imagine it would be more potent because you didn't put enough heat in it to degrade the hormone.

 

[whoremoan1]

I could see the possibility of higher PIP, but I don't see how it could be less potent. If anything I imagine it would be more potent because you didn't put enough heat in it to degrade the hormone.

exactly my thinking
is pip more likely due to it not being heated though?

 

[Nilatac]

If you can solve the powder then is no difference if you brew with or without heat. If is not properly solved then when it will be filtered the powder remains in the filter.
I suggest to use some heat to solve everything properly and not to take a long while waiting. Some heat it will not do damage but help to make brewing easier

 

[theotherguy]

exactly my thinking
is pip more likely due to it not being heated though?

TBH I don't really know, but my guess is that there could be microcrystals of "crashed" gear that aren't visible to the human eye. The reason I speculate this is because I once reused an old vial of tren Ace (it had been sitting around for 4-6 months). It never had bite previous to that, but that one time it gave me pretty decent burning PIP (Looked at the vial and never saw anything that looked even remotely crashed). After that I heated it on a hot plate for a few minutes until the entire vial was warm/hot to the touch and I never got any more PIP from that vial afterwards.

Again, all speculation, but it is what I noted

 

[Nilatac]

TBH I don't really know, but my guess is that there could be microcrystals of "crashed" gear that aren't visible to the human eye. The reason I speculate this is because I once reused an old vial of tren Ace (it had been sitting around for 4-6 months). It never had bite previous to that, but that one time it gave me pretty decent burning PIP (Looked at the vial and never saw anything that looked even remotely crashed). After that I heated it on a hot plate for a few minutes until the entire vial was warm/hot to the touch and I never got any more PIP from that vial afterwards.

Again, all speculation, but it is what I noted

If it has powder that is not dissolved when you brew it will not pass thru the filter.
Why you had pip is because it has crashed after it was brewed and filtre. That can happen for various reasons
But thru a filter it won't pass anything

 

[Ridethelightningbarefoot]

Depends on the compound. I went lower heat for a while and found my stuff would crash...so now I heat almost to the melting point. I only use bb when I brew tho. I use 20%bb in all my brews now too. There are compatability charts for the commonly available filters with certain solvents. Nylon and ptfe are the only ones that can be used with benzyl benzoate

 

[Jet Labs]

exactly my thinking
is pip more likely due to it not being heated though?

Bad pip can be the result of many factors from old raws, low quality carrier oils/solvents, improperly rinsed vials and improperly filtered products(dissolved plastics in gear).

IMHO 9/10 it's poor quality raws and/or product filtered using the wrong filters.

 

[theotherguy]

If it has powder that is not dissolved when you brew it will not pass thru the filter.
Why you had pip is because it has crashed after it was brewed and filtre. That can happen for various reasons
But thru a filter it won't pass anything

You're absolutely right, not sure what I was thinking

 

[Blitz33]

You need heat for propionat esters friend but not much 50-60C enough.

tren, deca, tests melts around 30-35 C

Actullay heat makes process faster you decide.

 

[narta]

Depends on the compound. I went lower heat for a while and found my stuff would crash...so now I heat almost to the melting point. I only use bb when I brew tho. I use 20%bb in all my brews now too. There are compatability charts for the commonly available filters with certain solvents. Nylon and ptfe are the only ones that can be used with benzyl benzoate

BA is used for bacteriostatic reasons not to dissolve the powder into solution. Always use BA 0.9%-1% is plenty

 

[Ridethelightningbarefoot]

BA is used for bacteriostatic reasons not to dissolve the powder into solution. Always use BA 0.9%-1% is plenty

Your reading comprehension isnt very good.....ive brewing for years. Ive never used ba this way. Wtf

 

[whoremoan1]

Your reading comprehension isnt very good.....ive brewing for years. Ive never used ba this way. Wtf

what do you mean ?
i use 2% ba
what would you suggest?

 

[Ridethelightningbarefoot]

what do you mean ?
i use 2% ba
what would you suggest?

Nah I just dont know why he was trying to educate me on the use of ba....in the post he quoted I didnt even say anything about ba..