BUNK HGH and T4 ?? Can't say I'm surprised.. (lab results)

[steckdose0]

below is a list of what i'm taking (or what i thought i was taking), and below that are my blood results. everything seems to be on point except for the 2 items that i got from the same source on here -- the T4 and Norditropin.

- 225mg e10d Pharmacom Test U (157mg/wk, equivalent to about 135mg of test E or C)
- 112mg Alpha Pharma Test C split 3x a week MWF
- 240mg Pharmacom Mast E
- 4iu Noridtropin split AM/PM
- 50mcg Pharmacom T3
- 100mcg Abdi Ibrahim T4

2 hours prior to getting bloods, i pinned 6iu IM into the delt


IGF-1, LC/MS IGF 1, LC/MS --- NORMAL
234 --- NORMAL --- 63-373 ng/mL

Estradiol, Ultrasensitive, LC/MS ESTRADIOL,ULTRASENSITIVE, LC/MS
43 ---- HIGH < OR = 29 pg/mL

Testosterone, Free (Dialysis) and Total, MS TESTOSTERONE, TOTAL, MS
1178 HIGH 250-1100 ng/dL

TESTOSTERONE, FREE
393.5 HIGH 35.0-155.0 pg/mL

T3 UPTAKE: 39, HIGH 22-35 %

T4 (THYROXINE), TOTAL: 4.6, LOW 4.9-10.5 mcg/dL

FREE T4 INDEX (T7) 1.8, NORMAL 1.4-3.8

TSH: 0.0,1 LOW 0.40-4.50 mIU/L


my IGF is in normal range for my age despite me taking 4iu regularly for 3 months and pinning 6iu pre bloods. for the amount an ester of test i'm taking, 1200ng/dl is normal for me. test U tends to be not as responsive as test E due to the heavy ester. i pinned 37.5mg the morning of those bloods, and pinned the 225mg test U 6 days prior.

i have saizen from this guy which i believe is real because a few days after i pin that, veins galore, fullness, roundness, better sleep, better pumps, better everything. the only reason i switched over to norditropin is because i was way less bloated on norditropin which is almost always true even if it's real, but bunk GH won't bloat you either lol.

 

[Jin23]

You do realize igf levels need time to rise? You should have tested GH levels, it doesn't make much sense to pin GH right before bloods and then get igf levels only tested. You pin GH before bloods to test peak GH levels. But in any case, 230 is low for 4iu, but you might be a low converter ... Have you had your igf levels tested before on other GH sources?

For some people, a 200mg dose of test gets them to only 1200 ...

 

[steckdose0]

You do realize igf levels need time to rise? You should have tested GH levels, it doesn't make much sense to pin GH right before bloods and then get igf levels only tested. You pin GH before bloods to test peak GH levels. But in any case, 230 is low for 4iu, but you might be a low converter ... Have you had your igf levels tested before on other GH sources?

For some people, a 200mg dose of test gets them to only 1200 ...

yeah they need time to rise but as i've said, i've been on this GH for months. i think that's enough time for them to rise well out of normal range considering the dose i'm taking but like you said, either way it's shit.

no i've not tested other brands, i'm going to test the saizen, but when i take 4iu of saizen i actually feel and see results within days. next time i get it tested i'll get IGF and GH levels

 

[Evom1]

What are your liver values?

 

[steckdose0]

What are your liver values?

AST/ALT are both 37. everything that is not listed came back normal range.

 

[Rido]

Caloric intake?

 

[steckdose0]

Caloric intake?

2500 -- cutting down right now. maintenance is around 3000-3200

 

[Jin23]

no i've not tested other brands,

Yeah, then it's going to be hard to know where your levels fall normally. Igf1 labs is also, so I hear, not the best measure of GH quality. So testing peak GH levels would be much better I suppose. Who is the source?

 

[M@NU]

2500 -- cutting down right now. maintenance is around 3000-3200

this is the reason why your igf is low

 

[crtx]

this is the reason why your igf is low

this

 

[steckdose0]

this is the reason why your igf is low

this

i pulled GH serum numbers and the potency was proven to be around 1/3 of what it should be. i got 11 from 10iu IM. so no, the reason is because it's burnt out.

 

[Rido]

i pulled GH serum numbers and the potency was proven to be around 1/3 of what it should be. i got 11 from 10iu IM. so no, the reason is because it's burnt out.

1/3 of what it should be for what?

this is an example of mine
My January was on 4iu, February was on 7.2iu

GH/IGF in january was 4iu
2.1 / 312

February was 7.2iu
1.7 / 395
this wasnt in a heavy bulk. it was a recomp

 

[steckdose0]

1/3 of what it should be for what?

this is an example of mine
My January was on 4iu, February was on 7.2iu

GH/IGF in january was 4iu
2.1 / 312

February was 7.2iu
1.7 / 395
this wasnt in a heavy bulk. it was a recomp

i don't understand, what are you saying bro? your GH was clearly under dosed lol. the bloods u pulled in january look proper and i doubt you were on the same vial.

 

[Rido]

i don't understand, what are you saying bro? your GH was clearly under dosed lol. the bloods u pulled in january look proper and i doubt you were on the same vial.

I hope it wasnt the same vial. You mean the same batch?

I did 2iu and 3.6 maybe an hour SubQ before the blood test. I did it for free reimbursement.

We are telling you that caloric intake plays a role with IGF.

what makes you think it is underdosed?

I am asking you what 1/3 of your GH should be


you sound like you are in a caloric deficit and you are saying your HGH is bunk. Even @Shivathedestroyer has talked about his double digit IGF levels on contest prep while on HGH

 

[TheRingloVale]

I don't know why anyone would fake T4...it's super common and super cheap

 

[Shivathedestroyer]

What is your baseline number before starting the 4iu? Also igf is cumulative so it doesn’t matter how much you pinned pre bloods. That’s serum testing where you need to pin a large amount pre bloods.

 

[steckdose0]

What is your baseline number before starting the 4iu? Also igf is cumulative so it doesn’t matter how much you pinned pre bloods. That’s serum testing where you need to pin a large amount pre bloods.

yeah, that's what i learned after this -- that you need to be on one dosage for a few weeks before thinking of drawing IGF bloods. that's why i did the classic GH serum test which is 10iu IM 3 hours before the blood test. i understand that this is a crude test and a rough accuracy of potency, but i my score was less than half of what it should have been.

these things happen. i'm forgiving when it comes to sources because i know it's not a malicious thing. i just ordered a dif brand. let's hope it works out.

 

[Shivathedestroyer]

yeah, that's what i learned after this -- that you need to be on one dosage for a few weeks before thinking of drawing IGF bloods. that's why i did the classic GH serum test which is 10iu IM 3 hours before the blood test. i understand that this is a crude test and a rough accuracy of potency, but i my score was less than half of what it should have been.

these things happen. i'm forgiving when it comes to sources because i know it's not a malicious thing. i just ordered a dif brand. let's hope it works out.

I don’t see any results for that on the blood work you posted above, you also said in your initial post that you pinned 6iu into your delt.

So I’m a bit confused as to what you’re talking about now, since you were saying your igf is low, and posted results for your igf….. unless I’m missing something


Also you didn’t answer the question if you have a baseline for your igf

 

[M@NU]

your GH aint underdosed. (probably)
your IGF is low because you are in a caloric deficite (probably also lower carbs)
Your GH serum also depends on several factors.
where are you from?
ill glady trade your underdosed nordi pens for some mauvetops from meditrope (batch 108 and 105, both hplc tested) if you are from EU

 

[SkullCrusher]

Why has only one person mentioned his T4 levels ?