Castor oil & MCT oil - a few questions

[4x7]

Hey fellas, how's it going? I hope all is good.

So, upon reading on this forum i got introduced to the idea of using castor oil. Especially the contributions of the great brewing sage @narta made me start thinking about using castor oil next time. I think - in my experience - sesame oil was so far the most reliable oil. I don't think i ever had gear crash in it.

So, a couple of questions regarding castor oil:

- Upon looking up for castor oil i came across the cold pressed version and the refined version. I'm guessing that the refined version of castor oil is the way to go, correct? Key reasons i'd name, would be the higher smoke point and less danger of the oil going rancid.

- Since i have never used it, i'll use @Sampei 's great idea to inject 1ml of pure filtered castor oil to check for reactions. How long do i have to wait till i know that there won't be an allergic reaction? 48 hours? And one pin as test should be enough, i guess.

- Is there a chart that compares the saturation rate (how much raw you can add before it gets saturated and crashes) between carrier oils? There was a chart long time ago, i lost it. If i remember correctly sesame was quite on top of the list but (i think it was) castor oil (that) was in a league of its own, if i remember correctly.

Regarding MCT:

- I have also never used MCT. Which type is the ideal one for our purposes? There are C6, C8, C10 & C12 MCT oils. My research on the forum has lead me to the answer that MCT 60/40 C8/C10 from coconut oil is the optimal oil for our purposes. As to why, i have no idea. If someone has the knowledge, i would be thankful if he shared it.

- I do wonder if sesame oil or MCT has the higher saturation rate.



I know that sesame oil works well for me. It does the job. But i always try to improve the way i'm doing something and try to make it more efficient. Do you think that MCT or castor oil as carrier oils would give me any benefit compared to sesame when brewing Test Prop, Tren Ace or NPP? Maybe it's crazy to think this but i wonder if it will make daily Tren Ace pins have a more steady/linear release. Anything that helps lessening Tren sides, i'd happily welcome.

Best regards,

4x7

 

[4x7]

I insert very cautiously and slow and i don't fiddle really. Maybe a tiny bit but maybe you have a point. The pressure goes into the syringe cylinder, not into my muscle. That being said i'm always open minded: Being it regarding the oil, syringe, needle, brewing process or whatever.

Judging by how it feels though i have near to zero pain when injecting. If you fiddle around you kinda feel pain inside the muscle. But as i said i'm open minded. If a certain method, process, oil, needle or whatever it may be is better, one has to accept it. You do need patience for this type of slow injection, which is not what most gear users have. But i'm open minded to use a lower G needle if it means that it is less stress or scar tissue for the muscle.

Edit: (Maybe you have noticed) but as the cycle goes on the injecting becomes harder and harder and thus slower. In the beginning the pin is pretty quick. So maybe the reason for a slow injection is something else, as in the beginning the 26g works pretty quick. I don't even heat the gear up.

Don't ask me how i brew, you'll head will explode. Before i ever started to brew i talked to a chemist who was a brewer himself and i have done it ever since his way without problems but let's not talk about this here.

 

[Sampei]

I insert very cautiously and slow and i don't fiddle really. Maybe a tiny bit but maybe you have a point. The pressure goes into the syringe cylinder, not into my muscle. That being said i'm always open minded: Being it regarding the oil, syringe, needle, brewing process or whatever.

Judging by how it feels though i have near to zero pain when injecting. If you fiddle around you kinda feel pain inside the muscle. But as i said i'm open minded. If a certain method, process, oil, needle or whatever it may be is better, one has to accept it. You do need patience for this type of slow injection, which is not what most gear users have. But i'm open minded to use a lower G needle if it means that it is less stress or scar tissue for the muscle.

Don't ask me how i brew, you'll head will explode. Before i ever started to brew i talked to a chemist who was a brewer himself and i have done it ever since his way without problems but let's not talk about this here.

You don't need lower needle size you need fucking smaller syringes bro xD

No one use 5ML unless you are mass monster injecting 5ml of oil in one go.

Use the minimum ML syringe size for your injection.

I use 27/30G with 1ml or 27G with 2ml syringe for every site except for glutes where I use 25G 2 or 3ml syringes.

On average I use smaller needles then you and it takes me like 1/10 of your time. With 1ml syringe it's 30 seconds max with a 27/30G

With a 2/3ml syringes max 2 minutes if I really go super slow

 

[Sampei]

Btw just brewed some nice NPP200 in castor oil.

LET'S GOOOOO!!!

 

[4x7]

You don't need lower needle size you need fucking smaller syringes bro xD

No one use 5ML unless you are mass monster injecting 5ml of oil in one go.

Use the minimum ML syringe size for your injection.

I use 27/30G with 1 or 27G with 2ml syringe for every site except for glutes where I use 25G 2 or 3ml syringes.

On average I use smaller needles then you and it takes me like 1/10 of your time. With 1ml syringe it's 30 seconds max with a 27/30G

With a 2/3ml syringes max 2 minutes if I really go super slow

Holy shit. What a revelation. Appreciated!

 

[Sampei]

Injected 200npp in castor oil with 27G and 1ml syringe. Took 45 seconds.

Enjoy

 

[SBD1]

You mean you have needle in ass for 10-15 minutes or your whole little ritual takes that long?

I like to take a shower, dry off, throw on some easy listening while I dance around. Swab vials and skin. Draw, swap, pin, huff my prep pads and clean up. And I’d still be hard pressed to fill 15 minutes of my day with that. 25/27g 3cc

 

[dasking]

Hey fellas, how's it going? I hope all is good.

So, upon reading on this forum i got introduced to the idea of using castor oil. Especially the contributions of the great brewing sage @narta made me start thinking about using castor oil next time. I think - in my experience - sesame oil was so far the most reliable oil. I don't think i ever had gear crash in it.

So, a couple of questions regarding castor oil:

- Upon looking up for castor oil i came across the cold pressed version and the refined version. I'm guessing that the refined version of castor oil is the way to go, correct? Key reasons i'd name, would be the higher smoke point and less danger of the oil going rancid.

- Since i have never used it, i'll use @Sampei 's great idea to inject 1ml of pure filtered castor oil to check for reactions. How long do i have to wait till i know that there won't be an allergic reaction? 48 hours? And one pin as test should be enough, i guess.

- Is there a chart that compares the saturation rate (how much raw you can add before it gets saturated and crashes) between carrier oils? There was a chart long time ago, i lost it. If i remember correctly sesame was quite on top of the list but (i think it was) castor oil (that) was in a league of its own, if i remember correctly.

Regarding MCT:

- I have also never used MCT. Which type is the ideal one for our purposes? There are C6, C8, C10 & C12 MCT oils. My research on the forum has lead me to the answer that MCT 60/40 C8/C10 from coconut oil is the optimal oil for our purposes. As to why, i have no idea. If someone has the knowledge, i would be thankful if he shared it.

- I do wonder if sesame oil or MCT has the higher saturation rate.



I know that sesame oil works well for me. It does the job. But i always try to improve the way i'm doing something and try to make it more efficient. Do you think that MCT or castor oil as carrier oils would give me any benefit compared to sesame when brewing Test Prop, Tren Ace or NPP? Maybe it's crazy to think this but i wonder if it will make daily Tren Ace pins have a more steady/linear release. Anything that helps lessening Tren sides, i'd happily welcome.

Best regards,

4x7

I havent made it through all the messages yet, but to those who say just 48 hrs for the allergic reaction. For a serious reaction yes!

Personally for me I've found i have like a very minor reaction that builds into a bigger one the longer I use it. For example it wasn't until my 4th day using this Mast P recently before I started to swell like crazy and get insain inflammation & pains. In 12 hours I went from minor water retention to im in the emergency room.

Mind you im watching and paranoid tracking all metrics if I introduce any new unknown or brand, anything beyond Ba/Bb catches up to me apparently. Potentially Migylols also.

Don't be paranoid and scared just be aware is my point. Don't introduce more unknowns after 48hrs please be patient.

 

[Fizzik]

Having issues with MCT oil. About 6 hours after injection I still get joint pains throughout my body and seem to get some sort of immune response.

Anyone that can’t handle MCT have a similar experience? The only other thing it could be is the BA or BB.

 

[Exhortae]

Having issues with MCT oil. About 6 hours after injection I still get joint pains throughout my body and seem to get some sort of immune response.

Anyone that can’t handle MCT have a similar experience? The only other thing it could be is the BA or BB.

Miglyol 840 gives me joint pains

 

[Fizzik]

Miglyol 840 gives me joint pains

This is QSC, so as far as I'm aware it's MCT, I've also filtered this gear through a .22um filter to sterile vials as well. Miglyol 840 also seems to be way more expensive than MCT. Next to try is GSO I suppose, or try brewing Castor.