Chills and no libido

[specster]

I am 46 YO and have been on 130 mg test/week (sust). I am taking the T as HRT and have been on about 2 months. i take 1 DIM every evening and 400 HCG every 3-4 days. Sometimes I forget to take the HCG.

When I started I felt great, later I felt good, now I am not feeling good (about 2 weeks).

w/o T I am about 194 with little fat. The 1st month on T I went up to 198. For the past 2 weeks my weight has been dropping and is now 188. When I wake up I am cold (I have the chills). When I take a leak I get the "piss shivers". (Never happened before). My libido has suddenly gone fouth as well.

What do you think is off?? I am thinking something specific but I want to hold off on stating it until you guys respond.

 

[SWALE]

Your constitutional symptoms warrant a trip to your doctor.

 

[DavidZ]

I am 46 YO and have been on 130 mg test/week (sust). I am taking the T as HRT and have been on about 2 months. i take 1 DIM every evening and 400 HCG every 3-4 days. Sometimes I forget to take the HCG.

When I started I felt great, later I felt good, now I am not feeling good (about 2 weeks).

w/o T I am about 194 with little fat. The 1st month on T I went up to 198. For the past 2 weeks my weight has been dropping and is now 188. When I wake up I am cold (I have the chills). When I take a leak I get the "piss shivers". (Never happened before). My libido has suddenly gone fouth as well.

What do you think is off?? I am thinking something specific but I want to hold off on stating it until you guys respond.

It's possible that the DIM dropped your E2 too low. Stop the DIM for a few days and see what happens.

 

[SWALE]

One DIM capsule, no matter large, will not drive E too low, especially on TRT.

As I said, you need to see your doctor.

 

[DavidZ]

One DIM capsule, no matter large, will not drive E too low, especially on TRT.

It did for me. I crashed big time on one tablet a day.

My maintenance dosage is about 1/4 to 1/3 of an Indolplex tablet per day.

As I said, you need to see your doctor.

I agree. But sometimes doctors are not available right when you need them.

 

[caos]

If a doctor who is his own doctor has a fool for a patient, what does that make a patient who has himself for a doctor? Let's don't find out. See a doctor.

 

[pmgamer18]

One DIM capsule, no matter large, will not drive E too low, especially on TRT.

As I said, you need to see your doctor.

He said he takes on every night doing this will make one go to low. Yes go to your Dr. and also get your E2 tested.
Phil

 

[SPE]

Night?

Hey Phil,
Do you mean it's not wise to take DIM at night?

 

[specster]

Thanks for responses

Yes, not everyone has the luxury to go to a doctor and my dr. thinks I am nuts when I ask him to test my blood for estrogen - He does it but he thinks I am wasting my money. I will see him monday.

I have been taking the HCG more dilligently and it seems that I am feeling better. My weight has gone back up 2 - 3 lbs.

This is pure speculation on my part but I think there are differences between indogeneous T and lab T. I know a Dr. who was doing reseach with endorphin receptors and he found that there were subset of receptors that would not accept all endorphins. There must be a reason why guys feel better w/ HCG than they do on straight T.

I was feeling hagard and I could see it in the mirror. My skin looked pale, I was losing weight, something was really not right. I am going to keep up w/the HCG and get some labs on monday.

I was thinking maybe a thyroid problem w/ the chills but my temperature is normal.


I don't put a huge amount of stack in doctors. Sure there are guys like swale who have dedicated themselves to the science but a GP just isn't going to have anywhere near that knoweldge. That is why I appreciate your insight and input.

 

[DavidZ]

Hey Phil,
Do you mean it's not wise to take DIM at night?

Dinnertime is the best time to take DIM, IMO.

What Phil is saying is that one Indolplex/DIM tablet per day is too high a dose for many men, myself and Phil included.

 

[1cc]

Dinnertime is the best time to take DIM, IMO.

Why?

 

[DavidZ]

Why?

For a number of reasons:

1. The body makes T while you sleep. The less E2 it sees during sleep, the more T it will make.

2. T is highest in the morning. T converts to E2 during the day. T/E2 ratio drops during the day.

3. When I take Indolplex during the day it makes me sleepy.

 

[1cc]

For a number of reasons:

1. The body makes T while you sleep. The less E2 it sees during sleep, the more T it will make.

2. T is highest in the morning. T converts to E2 during the day. T/E2 ratio drops during the day.

3. When I take Indolplex during the day it makes me sleepy.

Are you still doing your HCG every day in the evening? If so, then wouldn't your HPTA be switched off and it wouldn't matter what time you took the DIM?

 

[DavidZ]

Are you still doing your HCG every day in the evening?

Yes.

If so, then wouldn't your HPTA be switched off...

Actually, I suspect that it's not entirely an on/off proposition.

...and it wouldn't matter what time you took the DIM?

As I said above, T/E2 ratio is highest in the morning and lowest in the evening. That's reason enough to take Indolplex at dinnertime, IMO.

Also, as I said above, taking DIM during the day makes me tired.

 

[1cc]

Yes.

Actually, I suspect that it's not entirely an on/off proposition.

As I said above, T/E2 ratio is highest in the morning and lowest in the evening. That's reason enough to take Indolplex at dinnertime, IMO.

Also, as I said above, taking DIM during the day makes me tired.

Good to know. Thanks David.

 

[specster]

I got my hair cut today and it seemed the newer hair was greyer (that which grew since I started the TRT). Anyone?

 

[DavidZ]

I got my hair cut today and it seemed the newer hair was greyer (that which grew since I started the TRT). Anyone?

Sorry, can't help you with that one.

But I was wondering, did you stop taking DIM? If so, do you feel any better?

 

[mixxin]

I have ordered DIM, can't wait to try it

 

[specster]

Dave Z

No I did not stop. I figure I will take it until monday when I get my blood work. I just took a couple of DBol since they are estrogenic with a short half life. I will gauge the result in the morning.

 

[earthdog]

I just took a couple of DBol since they are estrogenic with a short half life. I will gauge the result in the morning.

That's going to alter the results of the test on Monday, no?

My first thought when I read your first post in this thread is that you have some type of infection in your body, completely unrelated to TRT or hormones. Don't overlook that. I have yet to hear anyone complain of chills from TRT, yet millions complain of chills when the have the flu.

One more thing, a couple of guys on TRT in this forum, who are from Australia had lousy results using Sust. The results were too unpredictable and they felt like crap. If you can get it, cypionate or ethanate gives much better results and is a superior option. Yet Sust seems to be the drug of choice for TRT among doctors in countries where it is available. Anyway, good luck and keep us posted.