Comeback cycle

[jimheath]

I haven’t trained for about a year now and I’m about 4 weeks back in the gym and I’m trying to get back to where I was. I’m thinking about running a cycle to recomp and get back to where I was. I’m currently thinking:

40mgs dbol weeks 1-4
500 test w 1-4
750 test w 4-12
50 anavar w 8-12

Any thoughts or advice on this? Anything I should change or get rid of/add?

Also, I can already see the muscle memory doing it’s thing. What should I expect and how quick to blow back up with some gear in the mix as well?

 

[Rido]

I haven’t trained for about a year now and I’m about 4 weeks back in the gym and I’m trying to get back to where I was. I’m thinking about running a cycle to recomp and get back to where I was. I’m currently thinking:

40mgs dbol weeks 1-4
500 test w 1-4
750 test w 4-12
50 anavar w 8-12

Any thoughts or advice on this? Anything I should change or get rid of/add?

Also, I can already see the muscle memory doing it’s thing. What should I expect and how quick to blow back up with some gear in the mix as well?

Screw the Dbol. Do anavar 6-12.

What's your cycle experience?

 

[jimheath]

Screw the Dbol. Do anavar 6-12.

What's your cycle experience?

500 test for 12 weeks and then 500 test 250 deca for 12. Ran some sarm cycles before that. My reasoning for the dbol is just for the kickstart and to start packing back on the muscle asap. And also I’ve never tried it and kinda wanna see what the hypes been about for the last 50 years lol.

 

[Palifter]

I’ll ignore the part about you being only 4 weeks back into the gym after a hiatus. Chances are you’d ignore me anyway and I’d rather present you with a better cycle alternative and the reasoning why.

Generally, I like clients to choose a single goal for the cycle or our time together- cut or bulk. Trying to play the middle road here usually ends up with you looking more or less the same year after year. You’ll have a propensity to recomp to a degree already given your time out of the gym so let’s label this cycle a “lean bulk” with the goal being lean tissue accrual and minimal fat gain. I’m assuming now that you’re back to training, your nutrition is also being taken into account and is now better than it was prior…right

Ditch the Dbol from the start. If you really want to run an oral, save it for the tail end as a card you play to further progression or break a plateau. Running it from the start means you already blew your load and now your ceiling for growth has been limited.

If you’re inpatient and don’t mind pinning EOD or mon/wed/fri, I would run a short acting test and a short acting nandrolone. I get wanting to fill that instant gratification void with dbol from the start, but something like Test P and NPP would be in your system and working 3 weeks in and get better from there. I would run test P and NPP for 10-12 weeks. Assuming no apparent sides, I would wait to get bloods at week 7 or 8 to see health markers. If everything looks in range and you feel good, then add in your oral of choice to end your cycle with a bang.

The other 2 options would require less frequent pinning but would take longer to get to work and would be longer in total duration. That would be Test E/C in conjunction with either Deca again or EQ. Your pinning schedule would be bi weekly; I like Monday/Thursday. Either of these longer options would be 14-16 week minimum. I would get bloods drawn at the 10-12 week mark (again assuming no outlandish side effects) and assess the inclusion of an oral then.

I’m not a huge fan of recommending specific dosages to someone that hasn’t completed an intake form of some kind but in general I like my test and nandrolone to be a 1:1 ratio and I like my EQ at a minimum of 600mg regardless of test dose.

Just remember, you’ll rebound quickly on even the smallest amount of PED’s if it’s been a year since you’ve touched a weight. Muscle memory is no joke. Enjoy the second wind of noobie gains and capitalize on this time in the gym and kitchen.

 

[lukiss96]

I’ll ignore the part about you being only 4 weeks back into the gym after a hiatus. Chances are you’d ignore me anyway and I’d rather present you with a better cycle alternative and the reasoning why.

Generally, I like clients to choose a single goal for the cycle or our time together- cut or bulk. Trying to play the middle road here usually ends up with you looking more or less the same year after year. You’ll have a propensity to recomp to a degree already given your time out of the gym so let’s label this cycle a “lean bulk” with the goal being lean tissue accrual and minimal fat gain. I’m assuming now that you’re back to training, your nutrition is also being taken into account and is now better than it was prior…right

Ditch the Dbol from the start. If you really want to run an oral, save it for the tail end as a card you play to further progression or break a plateau. Running it from the start means you already blew your load and now your ceiling for growth has been limited.

If you’re inpatient and don’t mind pinning EOD or mon/wed/fri, I would run a short acting test and a short acting nandrolone. I get wanting to fill that instant gratification void with dbol from the start, but something like Test P and NPP would be in your system and working 3 weeks in and get better from there. I would run test P and NPP for 10-12 weeks. Assuming no apparent sides, I would wait to get bloods at week 7 or 8 to see health markers. If everything looks in range and you feel good, then add in your oral of choice to end your cycle with a bang.

The other 2 options would require less frequent pinning but would take longer to get to work and would be longer in total duration. That would be Test E/C in conjunction with either Deca again or EQ. Your pinning schedule would be bi weekly; I like Monday/Thursday. Either of these longer options would be 14-16 week minimum. I would get bloods drawn at the 10-12 week mark (again assuming no outlandish side effects) and assess the inclusion of an oral then.

I’m not a huge fan of recommending specific dosages to someone that hasn’t completed an intake form of some kind but in general I like my test and nandrolone to be a 1:1 ratio and I like my EQ at a minimum of 600mg regardless of test dose.

Just remember, you’ll rebound quickly on even the smallest amount of PED’s if it’s been a year since you’ve touched a weight. Muscle memory is no joke. Enjoy the second wind of noobie gains and capitalize on this time in the gym and kitchen.

It's amazing that you take your time to reply to someone.

Even if he doesn't value it, at least I do and some other people will too.

Saved for possible future use, thank you @Palifter !

 

[jimheath]

I’ll ignore the part about you being only 4 weeks back into the gym after a hiatus. Chances are you’d ignore me anyway and I’d rather present you with a better cycle alternative and the reasoning why.

Generally, I like clients to choose a single goal for the cycle or our time together- cut or bulk. Trying to play the middle road here usually ends up with you looking more or less the same year after year. You’ll have a propensity to recomp to a degree already given your time out of the gym so let’s label this cycle a “lean bulk” with the goal being lean tissue accrual and minimal fat gain. I’m assuming now that you’re back to training, your nutrition is also being taken into account and is now better than it was prior…right

Ditch the Dbol from the start. If you really want to run an oral, save it for the tail end as a card you play to further progression or break a plateau. Running it from the start means you already blew your load and now your ceiling for growth has been limited.

If you’re inpatient and don’t mind pinning EOD or mon/wed/fri, I would run a short acting test and a short acting nandrolone. I get wanting to fill that instant gratification void with dbol from the start, but something like Test P and NPP would be in your system and working 3 weeks in and get better from there. I would run test P and NPP for 10-12 weeks. Assuming no apparent sides, I would wait to get bloods at week 7 or 8 to see health markers. If everything looks in range and you feel good, then add in your oral of choice to end your cycle with a bang.

The other 2 options would require less frequent pinning but would take longer to get to work and would be longer in total duration. That would be Test E/C in conjunction with either Deca again or EQ. Your pinning schedule would be bi weekly; I like Monday/Thursday. Either of these longer options would be 14-16 week minimum. I would get bloods drawn at the 10-12 week mark (again assuming no outlandish side effects) and assess the inclusion of an oral then.

I’m not a huge fan of recommending specific dosages to someone that hasn’t completed an intake form of some kind but in general I like my test and nandrolone to be a 1:1 ratio and I like my EQ at a minimum of 600mg regardless of test dose.

Just remember, you’ll rebound quickly on even the smallest amount of PED’s if it’s been a year since you’ve touched a weight. Muscle memory is no joke. Enjoy the second wind of noobie gains and capitalize on this time in the gym and kitchen.

Wow bro I really appreciate this and the time you took to reply.

And yeah trust me.. I know hoping on so short after a comeback isn’t ideal lol.. I just miss it and I know a cycle would really laser me in again and get me obsessed again.. training natty isn’t too awful fun anymore sadly.

And honestly I think I will probably drop the dbol and run a faster test and switch to a longer ester a couple weeks in. As far as npp, I’m kinda worried. The last time I ran deca and it honestly kinda fucked with my head, placebo or not.

Would it be worth maybe running a sarm like RAD until I through in an actually oral just to harden me a little? I can remember running rad in the past and I was a hard as I’ve ever been.

Thanks again man

 

[Rido]

Have you thought about deca and mast?

Alot of people have been saying mast has been alleviating alot of the issues they have been having with deca.

 

[Leg_locker]

500 test and 40mg dbol sounds like a recipe for the michelin man deffinitly not something you want to run if your goal is it be "hard"I agree with @Palifter if your only going to be doing a shorter 12 week cycle stick with short esters. It seems I'm my experience that the longer esters are what have the most effect mental health so you should be safer with NPP but if not it will clear out alot faster

 

[Palifter]

Wow bro I really appreciate this and the time you took to reply.

And yeah trust me.. I know hoping on so short after a comeback isn’t ideal lol.. I just miss it and I know a cycle would really laser me in again and get me obsessed again.. training natty isn’t too awful fun anymore sadly.

And honestly I think I will probably drop the dbol and run a faster test and switch to a longer ester a couple weeks in. As far as npp, I’m kinda worried. The last time I ran deca and it honestly kinda fucked with my head, placebo or not.

Would it be worth maybe running a sarm like RAD until I through in an actually oral just to harden me a little? I can remember running rad in the past and I was a hard as I’ve ever been.

Thanks again man

I’d prefer to see you start and finish with the same test ester, in this case test prop. If we’re pulling teeth, you could run test sust the entirety of time since the onset would be slightly quicker than a single long ester but then we get into the issues of blood fluctuations which I like to keep to a minimum. But again, I’m thinking short and sweet here.

Need a little more info on the deca messing with your head to touch on that. Could be a myriad of things but know, for some nand (or 19-Nors umbrella) just doesn’t agree with them and that’s where EQ or DHB would enter. Primo to a lesser extent if funds allow and you can see HPLC testing to vouch for validity.

I’m not a fan of sarms and you will not find them at a national or pro level being utilized, take that for what it’s worth. Id save the money for food my man, it got real expensive real quick to eat clean around the world