Compound change any advice please

[Trainghard1212]

If I dont ask I dont learn .

I been running test E 300 no Pip =)
Nandrolone ND 300, I am thinking of switching compounds test A & Tren A
Potential to lean up little and to shorten the wait to PCT .

I'm thinking of starting first pin of TrenA & Test A 8 days after my last pin.
So should I run Test A & Tren A for 4 weeks for example then stop then PCT on week 5 ? Or stop week 5 PCT week 6

I'm going to pin ED I'm thinking
75ml tren & 35ml test A or something close to that .
I have been pinning every 4 days 300mg Nandrolone Nd & test E
Started
My test E & deca
14.11.21
1ml test E 300mg/ml
1ml Deca 300mg/ml
Had last pin
25.01.22
1ml test E 300mg/ml
1ml Deca 300mg/ml
1/2 Anastrozole 1mg
I was going to copy& paste my course in here but didnt want to over load the post
So anyway if I dont ask I dont learn any advice would be mad .
I have plenty of clomid, nolva,cabergoline.
Any advice on when I should start stop PCT or am on the right track or way off lol.

 

[Someguy22]

My advice prob isn't the greatest: Never PCT'ed, was on TRT before I started roids.

Check out steroid plotter. Put your current cycle in there and check for when your levels fall off to a certain level then start pinning the ace.

Even if you stopped pinning today you will still have deca in your system for like 7 to 8 weeks lol. Def don't start PCT in 4 weeks.


Also deca is usually reserved for blast and cruise as metabolites hang around in your system for a very long time. I have read up to 18 months. Might be a while before you should PCT. More experienced people could prob comment on this better than me. Might have to cruise on test for a couple months then PCT.

 

[Trainghard1212]

Awesome thankyou for taking time to reply someguy22 .
Ok I tried the plotter I'm not sure if I have got my head around it because I'm sharpest tool in the shed lol.
But I put in 16 week with test E 300mg/ml & deca 300mg/ml
Then week 11 I added tren A its saying I should add it at week 8 is that correct

Anyway advice on how long I should run the tren A before Pct to safely have the deca out of the way .

If I dont ask I dont then I just guess...

 

[Trainghard1212]

I think I found my answer looks like there is no getting off cycle .

 

[Someguy22]

Wait until the deca and test E levels are out of you, then start PCT. You can see how many weeks out they are out of your system using the steroid plotter graph i.e when they are at or damn near 0.

How much Test A and Tren A are you planning on running? Use those numbers to determine when to start pinning them.

For example let's say you want to run 10 MG of Test A a day. Look at the steroid plotter plot of your Test E levels, and start pinning Test A around the time your levels of Test E get to 10 MG in your blood. Run both the acetate esters until the clearance point of the longer esters you figured out from eariler (from what I said in the first paragraph). Those should clear in about 3 days, then start your PCT.


Example in your case, from the last pin of deca on day 81 it isn't really out of you until about day 121 ish. For easy math 40 days or like 6 weeks. Run the Tren A for those 6 weeks. Stop the tren A for like 3 days, then start PCT.



For your Test E -> Test A. Say you want to run 10 MG / day of test A. Last pin of test E was day 81, I follow the plot till I get to around 10 MG. Let's say that's day 94. Wait 2 weeks and pin test A for the next 4 weeks (to match the 6 weeks of deca clearance time), + 3 days for the ace clearance time then PCT.



TLDR: My rough guess is pin your tren ace for 6 weeks, pin your test A in 2 weeks for 4 weeks, wait half a week then PCT.

 

[Trainghard1212]

Thankyou so much someguy22 I really appreciate your help and time into educating me I'm just trying to get my head around this plotter .

I put in 22weeks

test E 300mg/ml every 4 days ,=

day 73 @ 32mg .

Deca 300mg/ml every 4 days = day 68 @ 57mg .

Then I put in 60mg/ml tren a ED

It doesn't have Test acetate on plotter I was going to pin it ED .

Or i have propionate for EOD

So day 135 there no nandrolone deca so safe to stop the tren a, test a ,or propionate if I decide to pin EOD.

And start PCT nolva clomid at say 142

I plan on running Hcg prior to that

Does this sound right someguy22

Thankyou so much I really appreciate you help someguy22.

Thanks mate

 

[Someguy22]

Sounds good to me.

How much nolva, colmid and HCG for how long?

Loads of PCT protocols here: thecycle/pct - steroids

 

[Trainghard1212]

Sounds good to me.

How much nolva, colmid and HCG for how long?

Loads of PCT protocols here: thecycle/pct - steroids

Thankyou someguy22 your awesome thanks heaps mate .
I haven't fully decided PCT but I have plenty 100mg clomid & 50mg and 20mg Tamodex .
Think I will run clomid 100mg Ed first week and nolva 40mg then 50mg Ed and 20mg Tamodex Ed .think that's enough?
That's what I ran last time but last time I didn't complete the PCT I went to jail for couple of years so it's been a while .
Last time I was lucky i had 5000Iu HCG just before i went back jail so my balls were sweet lol .lucky i had just finished first week pct then went back for another holiday =)
Anyway your a kool kunt someguy22
Thankyou for educating me today its mad .

 

[Someguy22]

That's a ton of shit.

From the long ass reddit tutorial I posted a link to they recommend barely any nolvadex, 0 tamodex and starting HCG 6 weeks out of PCT (so pretty much now for you):

Starting 6 weeks before PCT (SERM).

• Weeks 6-4: 500-1000 IU 3x/week
• Weeks 3-1: 250-500 IU 3x/week
• Week 0: Stop hCG & Starting SERM
• 6-8 Weeks: Nolvadex 10 mg ED = 10/10/10/10/10/10 (10/10)

 

[Someguy22]

Looks like you are thinking of running a power PCT style:

Original Power PCT​

by Michael Scally M.D.

• hCG - 2500 IU EOD – first 16 days
• Clomid - 100 mg ED - split the dose ½ in the AM, ½ in the PM for the first 30 days
• Nolvadex - 10 mg ED – entire 45 days

NOTE: Clomid and hCG dosing are extremely high, 50 mg Clomid should be the upper limit as you should never need more. Blasting high doses of hCG could lead to desensitization of receptors.

The above is a documented and approved PCT plan by former Dr. Scally. This can be found in Anabolics 10th Edition by William Llewellyn.

New PoWeR PCT​

by Michael Scally M.D.

• HCG - 2000 IU EOD – (first 20 days)
• Clomid - 100 mg ED - split the dose ½ in the AM, ½ in the PM (first 30 days)
• Nolvadex - 10 mg ED – (entire 45 days)

NOTE: Clomid and hCG dosing are extremely high, 50 mg Clomid should be the upper limit as you should never need more. Blasting high doses of hCG could lead to desensitization of receptors.

The above is a documented and approved PCT plan by former Dr. Scally.

 

[Trainghard1212]

Thanks someguy22 I'll dont think I'll run that much hcg it seams a lot =)
Thankyou for all your help it was awesome.
Thankyou mate

 

[Jestopherson]

If you want to lean up cut calories. You can cut on your current cycle.

 

[Trainghard1212]

Me may 2019 before then did 23 months jail and now I'm 8kg heavier

 

[Trainghard1212]

If you want to lean up cut calories. You can cut on your current cycle.

Yeah I am worried about the acne last time on tren A I broke out on my on my abs it was shit ...lol.
I think I'll cruise on Test E only for a few weeks then add the tren closer to when the Nandrolone
( deca ) is gone I'm not keen on running A for to long .anyway thankyou jetsopherson

 

[Trainghard1212]

Ok I did the switch
testosterone acetate .4ml ED
Trenbolone acetate .6ml ED

See how I go I'll get bloods next week

Thankyou for all your help someguy22