Crashed SHBG, low TT, high free T [underdosed gear?]

[BrunoES]

Have been for a month on what is supposed to be 300mg of Test E and 200 Tren E pinned 2x/week, prior to that there was also 500 EQ and test was at 900. Got some labs today and this is what I got.

Bloods from 42h after 150 Test E and 100 Tren E

TOTAL TEST: 1169,54 ng/dL (165-750)

FREE TEST: 48,22 ng/dL (3.4-24)

BIOAVAILABLE TEST: 1130,04 ng/dL (82-626)

SHBG: 2,2 nmol/L (10-57)

E2: still waiting for the results



Free T seems fine for 300 (I guess?), but TT is pretty low. SHBG is obviously crashed. Someone with more knowledge and experience can chime in here and shed some light on what might be going on? Test may be underdosed, but I would like some opinions. What you guys think?

 

[All Nats McGee]

Looks fine. More androgens the lower your shbg and TT which will cause higher free t. Your E2 is one of the most important numbers to worry about.

 

[BrunoES]

Looks fine. More androgens the lower your shbg and TT which will cause higher free t. Your E2 is one of the most important numbers to worry about.

should be out today.. my guess is its crashed also, probably because of that EQ earlier. is that what you are thinking too?

 

[Rido]

Looks fine. More androgens the lower your shbg and TT which will cause higher free t. Your E2 is one of the most important numbers to worry about.

You wouldn't think that op is a hyporesponder or bunk test?

 

[paddy_juan]

You wouldn't think that op is a hyporesponder or bunk test?

His tt is within the 3-5x multiplier for the amount of gear he's on. If anything it's slightly underdosed, but looks fine

 

[Rido]

His tt is within the 3-5x multiplier for the amount of gear he's on. If anything it's slightly underdosed, but looks fine

You are right, I should have reworded it to underdosed/hyporesponder.

 

[combover]

Is this your first time getting blood work? If no, what does it usually look like?

 

[BrunoES]

Is this your first time getting blood work? If no, what does it usually look like?

not the first time, although it has been so long since the last one I honestly can't remember, all tests used to remain stored in the laboratory account, but they changed their system or provider, something like that, and the old stuff isnt there anymore.

thinking about calling the lab today to check if I can access the old exams somehow.

I do have some test prop in here from an old brew, and could shoot it some times and get the bloodwork done again, what you guys think?

anyway, just checked the results and E2 isnt out yet

 

[BrunoES]

You wouldn't think that op is a hyporesponder or bunk test?

my only problem with being underdosed is I brewed it with 100g of whatever it is, so what is composing the other grams? lol

 

[BrunoES]

I looked at a couple of studies and the average for a 300mg test dose should be 1200-1500, but thats measured 1 week after the last shot, mine were 42h after

 

[Rido]

I looked at a couple of studies and the average for a 300mg test dose should be 1200-1500, but thats measured 1 week after the last shot, mine were 42h after

the question is, how were the frequency of the shots. if its was given once a week, that makes sense. If it is given every 2-3 days, then 42hr makes sense.

Peak of Test E/C is within 24 hours

my only problem with being underdosed is I brewed it with 100g of whatever it is, so what is composing the other grams? lol

I guess I do not understand this statement. maybe inaccurate measuing of oil? Idk.

 

[BrunoES]

the question is, how were the frequency of the shots. if its was given once a week, that makes sense. If it is given every 2-3 days, then 42hr makes sense.

Peak of Test E/C is within 24 hours

I guess I do not understand this statement. maybe inaccurate measuing of oil? Idk.

on the studies its always once a week, mine are split into 2 shots, mon/thursday, 150 each

the underdosed thing is, I measured 100g of test E powder for a total of 330ml injectables, so if its underdosed it means that the 100g of powder wasnt 100% test, so what was it?

 

[Rido]

on the studies its always once a week, mine are split into 2 shots, mon/thursday, 150 each

the underdosed thing is, I measured 100g of test E powder for a total of 330ml injectables, so if its underdosed it means that the 100g of powder wasnt 100% test, so what was it?

I am pretty sure that is pretty common. I think when most people purchase bulk they get it tested for accuracy.

 

[MadBret]

on the studies its always once a week, mine are split into 2 shots, mon/thursday, 150 each

the underdosed thing is, I measured 100g of test E powder for a total of 330ml injectables, so if its underdosed it means that the 100g of powder wasnt 100% test, so what was it?

It generally will have some test base that the ester doesn't attach to properly and other test that didn't synthesis completely. Jano could explain it more accurately than I did but it isn't anything to worry about.

Looks like you overdosed by 10% if you went for 330mg/ml so I'd image you are still at least at 300mg/ml, probably higher if your measurements were accurate as I've not seen test e raws testing too bad lately. Plenty of results are coming in at 98% or better.

And the difference between 330mg and 300mg is negligible. You wouldn't notice a difference by feels.

 

[bigtdawgwassupbro]

yeah bro your joocy as hell what a alpha 1200 ng/dlzzz mmmmmmm

 

[Piromanu87]

I also think lower SHBG leads to lower TT. I notice this with my blood tests also. Free test always is higher compared to total.

 

[BrunoES]

It generally will have some test base that the ester doesn't attach to properly and other test that didn't synthesis completely. Jano could explain it more accurately than I did but it isn't anything to worry about.

Looks like you overdosed by 10% if you went for 330mg/ml so I'd image you are still at least at 300mg/ml, probably higher if your measurements were accurate as I've not seen test e raws testing too bad lately. Plenty of results are coming in at 98% or better.

And the difference between 330mg and 300mg is negligible. You wouldn't notice a difference by feels.

It generally will have some test base that the ester doesn't attach to properly and other test that didn't synthesis completely. Jano could explain it more accurately than I did but it isn't anything to worry about.

Looks like you overdosed by 10% if you went for 330mg/ml so I'd image you are still at least at 300mg/ml, probably higher if your measurements were accurate as I've not seen test e raws testing too bad lately. Plenty of results are coming in at 98% or better.

And the difference between 330mg and 300mg is negligible. You wouldn't notice a difference by feels.

thats some good knowledge, thanks. I find this stuff very interesting. but in regards to the dosing, thats what looks weird. on 330mg/week, even taking in consideration individual response, it should be higher than 1170ng, I literally could find zero studies to justify this lab result, and I do want to be legit, I have enough test e in here to beef up an entire army, if its bunk I am fkd

 

[BrunoES]

I also think lower SHBG leads to lower TT. I notice this with my blood tests also. Free test always is higher compared to total.

I believe this is a factor. I am waiting on E2 results, but from what I've researched, crashed E2 can lead to lower SHBG, if it is indeed crashed, I am going to take some estradiol pills (need to find some info on doses yet, heard about 1mg EOD for 1-2 weeks), and retest later.

 

[BrunoES]

btw, if anyone knows about estradiol pills and dosing to raise E2, please let me know

 

[Rido]

btw, if anyone knows about estradiol pills and dosing to raise E2, please let me know

It can. @ludi_janez utilizes e2 pills but bioavailability of those pills are extremely low. Sublingual absorption can be as high as 25%. Crush it up, and let it sit in your mouth to absorb. It can also increase SHBG PRODUCTION AS WELL.

Estradiol pills get directly washed out by the liver which increases the shbg.

2mg of estroferm or estradiol valerate could work.