Critique My 2nd Cycle

[Ironchief]

Hello, I'm just about finishing my first cycle which yielded great results. I'm 25 yrs old, before the cycle I was at 185 at a height of 5'8" ft and around a 16% bf. Right as I'm finishing this cycle I'm around 180 at around a 11-12% bf. Was wearing about a 34 in jeans at the start, wearing now 28 jean size very tight. I was wearing 28 jean size comfortably last time I cut down naturally to about 8%... at 150 lbs. I know this will be looked on with disapproval, since most successful first cycles are meant to be bulking/mass cycles.

As for the actual cycle, it was a 10 week cycle of Test e @300 mg/wk and anavar @ 60mg/ed from week 1-8. I ran aromasin through the cycle at 12.5mg e3d and it worked well. Ideally I wanted to shred down without losing a lot of muscle. I have been 8% bf in the past, and while I was looking incredibly shredded, looking back, I was missing a lot of size (@150 lbs naturally), even when I was extremely diligent with my nutrition and my training [still is]. This time, at this level of leanness, I'm much bigger than before. The thing is, I am thinking of capping my test e in the future at 300mg/wk or even dropping it some. Even at larger deficits I still make crazy gains that were noticeable by everyone I was around, and I have no interest in blowing up too fast or too much. I had no real sides at all. Anavar was great, after about the 6th week I had some noticeable stomach upset but nothing too major. Acne was minimal, looked natural really. AI was dosed just right, though I did retain a bit of water at that test dosage.

Ideally I'd like to compete in some form of Men's Physique in the future. And while I'm personally not at the level where I'm satisfied, its a goal nonetheless. That being said, its still a few months before the next cycle but I'm already thinking about it. After some research the options are as follow:

Test E @200mg/wk (1-16)
Primo E @300-500mg/wk (1-16) or EQ @400-800mg/wk (1-16) or Mast E @300-500mg/wk (1-16)
Tbol kickstart & Anavar finisher [or simply anavar for both].

Now I know Primo is faked often, and while it would suck to get ripped off like that, its usually faked for EQ which is an option either way. The dosages are based on the doses available from my source. If at all possible I'd like to remain within the scope of 1cc per pin [mainly because I still have a lot of 1cc syringe leftover and because the first cycle was essentially .5cc pins]. With Primo I would have to get some 3cc syringes and pin about 1.5cc. Beyond just price however, at a concentration of 200mg/ml the Primo seems overwhelming as far as PIP. EQ reports say it increases hunger expontentially, and the only bad things I could gather about Masteron is the hair problem and being semi useless if not under 10% bf.

My pct and after goal is to slowly increase my cals up to maintenance, and slowly increase them thereafter before going into another slow cut. Plan is to be a good 10-15 lbs lighter come next cycle to actually either recomp at baseline cals or do a lean bulk.

Apologies for the long post, but I figured I rather make one long detailed one than several short barren ones.

P.S. I've been pinning glutes [20ga for drawing, 23ga 1/2 for injecting]. I did my first pin ever in my quad, the right place [23ga 1 inch], never again. PIP was insane, I was on my second or third glute pins the following week/s and my quad was still sore.
Also I've been training for about 4-5 years, I used to be 250 lbs @ around 40% bf at one point, and lifting quite literally saved my life then, not just from the dangers of obesity but other bad crap. Been great since.

Lifts @180 [if they matter]
Weighted Pull Ups: 90 lbsx5
Weighted Dips: 130 lbsx10
Flat Bench: 285x5
Incline Bench: 255x5
Back Squat: 385x5
Front Squat: 255x5
Deads: 345x8

 

[Xlgx]

Silly question. If the syringe is large enough. Can all 2 or 3 compounds be drawn with the same needle into the same syringe for a single spot or multi spot injection(s)?

 

[Ironchief]

If the syringe is large enough I can certainly dose up to higher dosages of course. But then the problem arises that with higher concentration and higher volume I would be faced with a lot more PIP and maybe more propensity to an abscess?

 

[Big Boss]

Hello, I'm just about finishing my first cycle which yielded great results. I'm 25 yrs old, before the cycle I was at 185 at a height of 5'8" ft and around a 16% bf. Right as I'm finishing this cycle I'm around 180 at around a 11-12% bf. Was wearing about a 34 in jeans at the start, wearing now 28 jean size very tight. I was wearing 28 jean size comfortably last time I cut down naturally to about 8%... at 150 lbs. I know this will be looked on with disapproval, since most successful first cycles are meant to be bulking/mass cycles.

As for the actual cycle, it was a 10 week cycle of Test e @300 mg/wk and anavar @ 60mg/ed from week 1-8. I ran aromasin through the cycle at 12.5mg e3d and it worked well. Ideally I wanted to shred down without losing a lot of muscle. I have been 8% bf in the past, and while I was looking incredibly shredded, looking back, I was missing a lot of size (@150 lbs naturally), even when I was extremely diligent with my nutrition and my training [still is]. This time, at this level of leanness, I'm much bigger than before. The thing is, I am thinking of capping my test e in the future at 300mg/wk or even dropping it some. Even at larger deficits I still make crazy gains that were noticeable by everyone I was around, and I have no interest in blowing up too fast or too much. I had no real sides at all. Anavar was great, after about the 6th week I had some noticeable stomach upset but nothing too major. Acne was minimal, looked natural really. AI was dosed just right, though I did retain a bit of water at that test dosage.

Ideally I'd like to compete in some form of Men's Physique in the future. And while I'm personally not at the level where I'm satisfied, its a goal nonetheless. That being said, its still a few months before the next cycle but I'm already thinking about it. After some research the options are as follow:

Test E @200mg/wk (1-16)
Primo E @300-500mg/wk (1-16) or EQ @400-800mg/wk (1-16) or Mast E @300-500mg/wk (1-16)
Tbol kickstart & Anavar finisher [or simply anavar for both].

Now I know Primo is faked often, and while it would suck to get ripped off like that, its usually faked for EQ which is an option either way. The dosages are based on the doses available from my source. If at all possible I'd like to remain within the scope of 1cc per pin [mainly because I still have a lot of 1cc syringe leftover and because the first cycle was essentially .5cc pins]. With Primo I would have to get some 3cc syringes and pin about 1.5cc. Beyond just price however, at a concentration of 200mg/ml the Primo seems overwhelming as far as PIP. EQ reports say it increases hunger expontentially, and the only bad things I could gather about Masteron is the hair problem and being semi useless if not under 10% bf.

My pct and after goal is to slowly increase my cals up to maintenance, and slowly increase them thereafter before going into another slow cut. Plan is to be a good 10-15 lbs lighter come next cycle to actually either recomp at baseline cals or do a lean bulk.

Apologies for the long post, but I figured I rather make one long detailed one than several short barren ones.

P.S. I've been pinning glutes [20ga for drawing, 23ga 1/2 for injecting]. I did my first pin ever in my quad, the right place [23ga 1 inch], never again. PIP was insane, I was on my second or third glute pins the following week/s and my quad was still sore.
Also I've been training for about 4-5 years, I used to be 250 lbs @ around 40% bf at one point, and lifting quite literally saved my life then, not just from the dangers of obesity but other bad crap. Been great since.

Lifts @180 [if they matter]
Weighted Pull Ups: 90 lbsx5
Weighted Dips: 130 lbsx10
Flat Bench: 285x5
Incline Bench: 255x5
Back Squat: 385x5
Front Squat: 255x5
Deads: 345x8

your test E is way too low .... why not winny ? i think it's more effective than anavar....u can ran this :
1-16 test cyp 350-500 mg week
1-16 primo 600-800 mg week
1-16 eq 600-800 mg week
13-18 winstrol 50 mg ED
1-18 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
15-18 hcg 1000 ius week (2x500 iu)

pct 19-22

clomid 50/50/25/25
nolva 40/20/20/20

 

[Ironchief]

your test E is way too low .... why not winny ? i think it's more effective than anavar....u can ran this :
1-16 test cyp 350-500 mg week
1-16 primo 600-800 mg week
1-16 eq 600-800 mg week
13-18 winstrol 50 mg ED
1-18 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
15-18 hcg 1000 ius week (2x500 iu)

pct 19-22

clomid 50/50/25/25
nolva 40/20/20/20

I see. My reasoning for running the test e initially that low was just to go with the lowest dose I could still see gains with [and did see significant ones], and to avoid water retention. I could perhaps go up to 350-400 but I think I'd definitely want to stay under 500/wk. I did think about trying winstrol this time around, I just wasn't sure about the preached joint discomfort and since var worked well [despite the price it carries].

Also you included both primo and eq, while I could budget for that, I think the volume would be too much for me. At my time and my goals, of the two which do you think I would benefit most?

 

[Big Boss]

I see. My reasoning for running the test e initially that low was just to go with the lowest dose I could still see gains with [and did see significant ones], and to avoid water retention. I could perhaps go up to 350-400 but I think I'd definitely want to stay under 500/wk. I did think about trying winstrol this time around, I just wasn't sure about the preached joint discomfort and since var worked well [despite the price it carries].

Also you included both primo and eq, while I could budget for that, I think the volume would be too much for me. At my time and my goals, of the two which do you think I would benefit most?

ok choose primo and anavar as your finisher

 

[Ironchief]

ok choose primo and anavar as your finisher

Thank you. From your advice I'll make this my second go then.

Test E @350mg/wk (1-16) [concentration of 500mg/ml]
Primo @600mg/wk (1-16) [concentration of 200mg/ml]
Var @50mg/ed (wk 13-18)

Using a 3cc syringe that's about 1.85cc. A lot more volume than the current .5cc of test e but I hope I can deal with the PIP.

 

[Test_Subject]

If you can only afford one of primo, EQ or mast, I'd personally go with masteron. If you're going to do the low-dose test route, I'd do 6-800mg a week of masteron with it. If you don't cut up on that, your stack is not your problem.

Mast has the major advantage that there's no need to run it for 16 weeks. 10 or 12 is perfectly fine. I find that it's much more side-effect friendly than EQ as well.

 

[Ironchief]

If you can only afford one of primo, EQ or mast, I'd personally go with masteron. If you're going to do the low-dose test route, I'd do 6-800mg a week of masteron with it. If you don't cut up on that, your stack is not your problem.

Mast has the major advantage that there's no need to run it for 16 weeks. 10 or 12 is perfectly fine. I find that it's much more side-effect friendly than EQ as well.

I don't think cutting in general will be a problem since I have done it well without AAS before the very low levels. I was just informed that Masteron would be a waste if not at 10% or under already since its used as more of a polishing at the very end stages before a contest. Thing is, I'm not trying to be contest ready at the end of the cycle, ideally I'd weight not much less, but between 8-10%. Not really trying to go below 8% nor higher than 10%.

 

[Big Boss]

If you can only afford one of primo, EQ or mast, I'd personally go with masteron. If you're going to do the low-dose test route, I'd do 6-800mg a week of masteron with it. If you don't cut up on that, your stack is not your problem.

Mast has the major advantage that there's no need to run it for 16 weeks. 10 or 12 is perfectly fine. I find that it's much more side-effect friendly than EQ as well.

yeah i agree and Masteron could be effective when your bf% is below 10%

 

[Ironchief]

On the plus side, I'm not too worried about hair loss since I have the opposite problem. Too much hair on my head, way too fast, regardless of barbershop frequency.

 

[Test_Subject]

I don't think cutting in general will be a problem since I have done it well without AAS before the very low levels. I was just informed that Masteron would be a waste if not at 10% or under already since its used as more of a polishing at the very end stages before a contest. Thing is, I'm not trying to be contest ready at the end of the cycle, ideally I'd weight not much less, but between 8-10%. Not really trying to go below 8% nor higher than 10%.

I've used mast at 12% body fat and it worked just fine. Yes, you need to be extremely lean to see muscle striations etc. but the gains are still there at higher body fat.

Also, a lot of people take mast at low doses and expect it to work magic. When it doesn't, they decide that it didn't work.

 

[Ironchief]

I've used mast at 12% body fat and it worked just fine. Yes, you need to be extremely lean to see muscle striations etc. but the gains are still there at higher body fat.

Also, a lot of people take mast at low doses and expect it to work magic. When it doesn't, they decide that it didn't work.

I could do the 600mg of mast without problem. About the sides however, from my source, they seem to be presented as near equal in that regard, with the only difference being masteron causing acne and no water retention, and eq rarely causing acne and slight water retention.

I'd imagine water retention could be dealt with easier with the ai than a suddenly spiking acne [which I did not experience with the earlier cycle]