Cutting and the 5x5?

streetdaddy

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How would you incorporate cardio if you were trying to cut up and using the 5x5? I am going to start using it for the 1st time, but at the same time will be trying to lose a few pounds. How many sessions, and for how long to avoid overtraining?
 
Cardio is catabolic. The most cardio I recommend is walking.

Sometimes i walk to the gym to try to get some cardio in.

But building lean muscle burns more calories than cardio anyway.

So to cut up on the 5x5 you need to. WATCH WHAT YOU EAT.

thats it.
 
Actually, you're completely out of your ass on that one, Untold. Cardio will burn a FUCKLOAD more calories in a good session than a few extra pounds of muscle will burn in a year.

Nor is cardio necessarily catabolic. Try running a few stadiums. Your legs will GROW.
 
Let's see here, in how many ways can that post be stupid:

1) You've now changed the entire premises from "is cardio beneficial" to "is it necessary"

2) hacksii, like you, talks an awful lot out of his ass.

3) According to your quoted passage, "cardio is catabolic in LARGE DOSES". When the fuck did we start talking about large doses are cardion? In your own estimation, walking the 2 blocks to the gym counts as cardio. :rolleyes:
 
It takes me 30 min to talk to the gym.

I dont run at all just b/c of statements like that.

"Running produces catecholamine hormones such as adrenaline and cortisol, these eat muscle for breakfast."
 
All cardio? More simply, even all running?

What about running done anywhere close to 100%? You can't run very long at that pace. You have to break it up into intervals to train it.

Wait a minute - intervals are kind of like sets. Maximum speed is kind of like maximum strength in that we tend to train with weights somewhere near our single rep maximum (or >50%). Funny, sprinting seems to build some decent legs on people too and it even hits the nervous system pretty solidly, just like weight training.

Is all running created equal? What about GPP and its value to lifters?

I'm not saying all lifters should be training for a marathon or a 10K but this isn't all black and white. There is a lengthy spectrum on which all of this operates and "cardio" is an arbitrary term. There are few absolutes in training, and this absolutely isn't one of them.
 
3 schools of thought on cardio: 1. Dont do any because its catabolic, 2. Do low intensity, long duration (ie. 30-50 minutes) because it burns fat while youre doing it, and 3. Do intervals because it burns more calories after youre done.

Is cardio catabolic? It breaks down muscle protein. So, yes. I guess weight lifting is too, then. However, as long as its not excessive you can recover just fine. Eat protein. The theory here is to let diet do all the work. However, research consistently shows that adding cardio to a diet results in much more fat loss and less muscle loss. The problem with cutting calories is that there is no guarantee about what your body will burn. It will likely burn fat and muscle in a 1:1 ratio.

Lets take intervals next. Yes, more calories burned from this after done. But, again, no guarantee where calories will come frommuscle, fat, glycogen? Appetite will usually compensate for this work and make you eat or make you miserable if you dont eat. Also, weight lifting is interval training if you think about it. However, there is nothing better for getting your cardiovascular system in shape. I do this twice a week for that reason alone.

Low intensity cardio is one of the only known activities that will burn fat while youre doing it. This is as close to a guarantee that youre burning fat as youll get. IMO, this cardio is the BEST for fat loss. I recommend that you find your base level caloric expenditure without this cardio. What do you burn from your normal routine without this cardio. Multiply your weight by 14 if youre not over 12% bodyfat to get a good idea. If youre under 10% body fat multiply your weight by 15. My recommendation is to eat that amount and let this type of cardio do the fat burning. Dont cut calories unless youre trying to get paper thin cut. Whats great about this cardio is that its so easy on the body you can do it all the time. Try low impact stuff like walking or stationary bike riding or gliders etc... Try 6-7 days a week for 30-50 minutes first thing in the morning on an empty stomach. Thats the key to ensure max. fat burn. You must have an empty stomach. Secondly, Id do it after weight lifting. Thats not as good because youre muscles need to start repairing with a protein shake. Thirdly, Id do it before you eat a meal when youre hungry. Lastly, Id do it when youre digesting.
 
Ok, I have done my first week of 5x5. I have a couple of questions. 1. I have small calves, what would you do for them? 2. When doing deadlifts, do you use both overhand grip or over/under?
 
Ramstein II said:
Lets take intervals next. Yes, more calories burned from this after done. But, again, no guarantee where calories will come frommuscle, fat, glycogen?
It makes no difference WHERE the calories come from, as long as you burn them. Thats why the whole "fat burning zone" is complete garbage and of no value whatsoever.

Low intensity cardio is one of the only known activities that will burn fat while youre doing it. This is as close to a guarantee that youre burning fat as youll get. IMO, this cardio is the BEST for fat loss.
You are so wrong its not even funny.

Thats the key to ensure max. fat burn. You must have an empty stomach.
Sounds great, but makes almost no difference at all unless someone is already sub 6-8%. And since very few people are in that range, cardio on an empty stomach wont make a lick of difference to the results that people experience.
 
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