Cycle 4 Input(another bulk)

[Rido]

I want to start off with saying I appreciate your input.


So I am torn between 3(or 4) compounds for my fourth cycle. I am looking for a 10-12 week cycle


Last Cycle I started at
350 Test
600 mast
200 Deca and then replaced the Deca with Tren.
4iu of HGH which I abandoned because of so much water weight

I went from 207 lbs and peaked at 237 lbs

I have a DEXA scan tomorrow to gauge my result. Most of the extra glycogen is out of my system. Weighing at 219 today(Cutting on my cruise). I am pretty positive I added 15+ lbs of mass which is shocking to me. I dont consider the 30 lbs because I feel that 15 lbs of muscle is what I kept.

By the time this cycle starts I plan to be 10% BF. I think I may be 212-214 at 10% bodyfat

Base Anabolics is Weekly
180 Test U(TRT dose)
140 Test C/E
600-800 Mast
4IU of HGH split AM/PM

POSSIBLE 10iu of Lantus daily
(Insert Option Below)

Now what will differ from each cycle would be below

Option 1(kind of leaning toward this)
210 NPP
Previous Experience was 300-400. I felt that NPP mellowed me out in terms of aggression/agitation. I used it for a recomp.

Option 2(I would front load both of these)
100 Deca(200 front load first week) for joint support
75 Tren H(150 front load first week) for nutrient partitioning effect
Previous experience. I felt like I ballooned on 200 Deca. 200 tren E caused me to snore, had some insmonia, night sweats. Summer is coming


Option 3(unsure about tren 2 cycles in a row)
Keep mast at 800
Tren hex 75 for nutrient partitioning


Option 3(may save this for winter because of the insulin sensitivity.)
300 DHB
No experience with this product

Option 5(oral option) Kind of leaning toward it.
Mast at 800
Utilize a finisher oral.
Anadrol 50-75mg daily. 3-4 weeks at the end
Anavar 50mg daily 6 weeks at the end of the cycle

Have used anavar in the past for a bit and anadrol. Noticed weight gain on anadrol from 2 weeks of use(alot of water). Anavar felt mild in side effects minus heart burn

 

[GuerillaPete]

300Test 300Mast 75-150 tren sound right for a cut.
You could replace tren with var/drol
Hgh Am / Pm
No slin on cut .
My 2c

 

[Rido]

300Test 300Mast 75-150 tren sound right for a cut.
You could replace tren with var/drol
Hgh Am / Pm
No slin on cut .
My 2c

I am bulking.

I should have said I did a soft stop after new years and then I stopped the 75 tren a few weeks after.(aggressive deficit at the time)

 

[GuerillaPete]

I am bulking.

Did you not just finish a bulk?

 

[Rido]

Did you not just finish a bulk?

Bulking finished jan 1

I have been cutting on my cruise lol. I have retained pretty much all of my strength. Energy levels have been great

 

[FrancoC]

My last blast was Test, Primo, DHB, and finished with Anadrol. I liked it a lot.

What I’m saying is do option 4 and 5 together

You could increase the DHB dosage as it’s very mild but keep an eye on E2 as it has a slight lowering effect

 

[Rido]

My last blast was Test, Primo, DHB, and finished with Anadrol. I liked it a lot.

What I’m saying is do option 4 and 5 together

You could increase the DHB dosage as it’s very mild but keep an eye on E2 as it has a slight lowering effect

How much was your slight lowering effect?

Maybe I'll keep the orals on the side and use it if I need that extra oomph

 

[FrancoC]

How much was your slight lowering effect?

Maybe I'll keep the orals on the side and use it if I need that extra oomph

I was running 500mg of each and had an E2 of 18. Lowered the DHB to 400 and it only added 2-3. Lowered the Primo to 400 and upped the DHB back to 500 and E2 came in at 28.

 

[effswithtren]

How much was your slight lowering effect?

Maybe I'll keep the orals on the side and use it if I need that extra oomph

This isn’t terribly useful because I had confounding variables, but I can say DHB definitely lowers e2 for me to some degree. My E2 came back low on 1:1 test/eq so I dumped the eq and subbed in DHB. Got retested a few weeks later and my E2 actually got a few points lower.

 

[GuerillaPete]

Bulking finished jan 1

I have been cutting on my cruise lol. I have retained pretty much all of my strength. Energy levels have been great

You want to out grow us buddy?
Just kidding man i have no idea i have not used this compounds for a bulk.
One good thing i can see happening with high Mast is water retention will be low .
Will tag along to see how it goes .

 

[Rido]

You want to out grow us buddy?
Just kidding man i have no idea i have not used this compounds for a bulk.
One good thing i can see happening with high Mast is water retention will be low .
Will tag along to see how it goes .

Yes. Mainly some asshole in the mirror .

The water was an issue last time for sure lol.

If dhb lowers e2. Then that should be able to help as well. Will definitely be on ancillaries.

 

[jJjburton]

Yes. Mainly some asshole in the mirror .

The water was an issue last time for sure lol.

If dhb lowers e2. Then that should be able to help as well. Will definitely be on ancillaries.

Bulking with DHB is incredible

 

[Rido]

Bulking with DHB is incredible

is it cause of the recomp effect or what?

 

[FrancoC]

You can down a lot of carbs and it seems like all get shuttled to the muscle. Keep in mind that it can be a bit pippy. At 300mg/week you should be ok though just mix it with other compounds

 

[jJjburton]

is it cause of the recomp effect or what?

I was able to grow a ton, with a good diet too. Npp and dhb and test. Was what i ran. It was just overall incredible. More than my usual npp and test. Good solid bulk lean.

 

[narta]

I know this will be unpopular but since you have found somewhat what agrees with your biology and you can grow, why not build upon it?

Test, mast.npp and/or tren.

Based on prior cycle I 'd go with something like this:

350-400 Test (TRT+C/E)
800 Mast
400 NPP

and switchero the npp to a ~200mg Tren halfway.

When you see the asshole emerge in the mirror, dump the tren back to npp and push an oral for the last 3-4 weeks.

 

[infantry8990]

Talking tren ace right? Didn’t think you’d wanna dump in 2 19nor unless they are both short ester

 

[Rido]

Talking tren ace right? Didn’t think you’d wanna dump in 2 19nor unless they are both short ester

Npp and tren h. They are both very low dose

 

[infantry8990]

Gotcha.

 

[callisto]

I want to start off with saying I appreciate your input.


So I am torn between 3(or 4) compounds for my fourth cycle. I am looking for a 10-12 week cycle


Last Cycle I started at
350 Test
600 mast
200 Deca and then replaced the Deca with Tren.
4iu of HGH which I abandoned because of so much water weight

I went from 207 lbs and peaked at 237 lbs

I have a DEXA scan tomorrow to gauge my result. Most of the extra glycogen is out of my system. Weighing at 219 today(Cutting on my cruise). I am pretty positive I added 15+ lbs of mass which is shocking to me. I dont consider the 30 lbs because I feel that 15 lbs of muscle is what I kept.

By the time this cycle starts I plan to be 10% BF. I think I may be 212-214 at 10% bodyfat

Base Anabolics is Weekly
180 Test U(TRT dose)
140 Test C/E
600-800 Mast
4IU of HGH split AM/PM

POSSIBLE 10iu of Lantus daily
(Insert Option Below)

Now what will differ from each cycle would be below

Option 1(kind of leaning toward this)
210 NPP
Previous Experience was 300-400. I felt that NPP mellowed me out in terms of aggression/agitation. I used it for a recomp.

Option 2(I would front load both of these)
100 Deca(200 front load first week) for joint support
75 Tren H(150 front load first week) for nutrient partitioning effect
Previous experience. I felt like I ballooned on 200 Deca. 200 tren E caused me to snore, had some insmonia, night sweats. Summer is coming


Option 3(unsure about tren 2 cycles in a row)
Keep mast at 800
Tren hex 75 for nutrient partitioning


Option 3(may save this for winter because of the insulin sensitivity.)
300 DHB
No experience with this product

Option 5(oral option) Kind of leaning toward it.
Mast at 800
Utilize a finisher oral.
Anadrol 50-75mg daily. 3-4 weeks at the end
Anavar 50mg daily 6 weeks at the end of the cycle

Have used anavar in the past for a bit and anadrol. Noticed weight gain on anadrol from 2 weeks of use(alot of water). Anavar felt mild in side effects minus heart burn

why tren h exactly? have heard some opinions about it being stronger and/or having less side effects but most of these opinions got told off because they were "feelz" reports.