Cycle Advice

[donniedarko]

This is going to be my first cycle I have been researching it for a year. I just want to make sure there are no loose ends before purchasing the gear, and wasting money. The cycle is a bulker.

Week 1 (frontload)
Test Cyp 1000 mg
EQ 800 mg
Femera 1.125 mg/eod

Week 2 - 6
Test Cyp 500 mg
EQ 400 mg
Femera 1.125 mg/eod

Week 7 - 9
Test Prop 100 mg/eod
Winstrol 75 mg/ed
Femera 1.125 mg/eod

Week 10 - 11
Winstrol 75 mg/ed
Femera 1.125 mg/eod

Week 12 - 15
PCT (Clomid)
Possibly Nolva, but not exactly sure on dosage 40 mg/ed for 2 weeks 20 mg/ed after?
Comments on cycle and/or PCT welcome.

 

[01dragonslayer]

This is going to be my first cycle I have been researching it for a year. I just want to make sure there are no loose ends before purchasing the gear, and wasting money. The cycle is a bulker.

Week 1 (frontload)
Test Cyp 1000 mg
EQ 800 mg
Femera 1.125 mg/eod

Week 2 - 6
Test Cyp 500 mg
EQ 400 mg
Femera 1.125 mg/eod

Week 7 - 9
Test Prop 100 mg/eod
Winstrol 75 mg/ed
Femera 1.125 mg/eod

Week 10 - 11
Winstrol 75 mg/ed
Femera 1.125 mg/eod

Week 12 - 15
PCT (Clomid)
Possibly Nolva, but not exactly sure on dosage 40 mg/ed for 2 weeks 20 mg/ed after?
Comments on cycle and/or PCT welcome.

First cycle???....Keep it simple bro.... no need to frontload.

Wks 1-11 Test cyp 500mg/wk
Wks 1-10 EQ 400mg/wk

Femara 1.25mg/ED starting day1 throughout your PCT.

Start your PCT clomid 2wks after your last shot of cyp at 300mg 1st day; 100mg/ED days 2-11; and 50mg/ED days 12-21. May want to add your nolva at 20mg/ED with the start of your clomid. Good luck.

 

[jocko]

I think the cycle sounds pretty good. i see you did your research.are you the donniedarko from texas btw ?

 

[donniedarko]

I think the cycle sounds pretty good. i see you did your research.are you the donniedarko from texas btw ?

No, I'm from MA.

 

[MaxRep]

Supposedly researched for a year? And gets back; "I think the cycle sounds pretty good".

This is the response to using Boldenone for 6 weeks?

A classic case of the blind leading the blind.

First, this is not meant to offend anyone but it should be common sense that if you don't know about "X", you shouldn't say as though you do, that "X" is a good thing.

Second, researched for a year is very hard to believe because I can't think of anyone who really knows, who would recommend using Boldnenon for only 6 weeks. Also, as someone already said, the cycle is way over complicated for a first time cycle.

Letrozole is still being used during a time when only a non-aromatizing AAS is being used? And the aromatizing AAS has already left the system. And why Letro? Not that it couldn't be used but it's a little unusual unless there's a specific reason.

And did someone say to use Letro and Nolva for PCT... ? That's a whole other discussion.

It's time for DD to go back to the drawing boards. Or at least read the newbie cycle info already posted on the board.

MaxRep

 

[donniedarko]

The Letrozole is not being run PCT. Nor is it being run with the Winstrol that was a typo. As far as the year long research that is true. All of my data has come from messageboards and the net. There is a lot out there and still a lot left for me to learn and I may have gaps in my knowlege that is why I ask questions.

As far as being too complicated there are only three steroids in there. Just because it isn' t the same test, deca d-bol begginer stack everyone seems to take does not make it too complicated. As far as running EQ for 6 weeks I do not see a problem the cycle. It continues to account for its long suppresion times with shorter acting esthers.

It is absolutely fine to blast a cycle if it sucks. If I am an idiot for running this cycle tell me, but tell me the reasons, "why not OMG I can't believe your running Letrozole PCT with Nolva," when it says that nowhere in the thread. Why is running EQ for 6 weeks bad?

 

[MaxRep]

The Letrozole is not being run PCT. Nor is it being run with the Winstrol that was a typo. As far as the year long research that is true. All of my data has come from messageboards and the net. There is a lot out there and still a lot left for me to learn and I may have gaps in my knowlege that is why I ask questions.

As far as being too complicated there are only three steroids in there. Just because it isn' t the same test, deca d-bol begginer stack everyone seems to take does not make it too complicated. As far as running EQ for 6 weeks I do not see a problem the cycle. It continues to account for its long suppresion times with shorter acting esthers.

It is absolutely fine to blast a cycle if it sucks. If I am an idiot for running this cycle tell me, but tell me the reasons, "why not OMG I can't believe your running Letrozole PCT with Nolva," when it says that nowhere in the thread. Why is running EQ for 6 weeks bad?

DD, of course I can see that you never said anything about letro for PCT or running it with nolva. Nor did I ever say you did. I was referring to someone else.

As far as the letro with winstrol, it's not necessary and I understand that was a typo.

Regarding your choice of products and switching things around, you can do that as much as you want but it's unnecessary and your more complicated cycle is no better than the simple cycle Dragon laid out. In fact, because of your increased frequency of shots, it's actually a worse cycle than the one Dragon laid out. First timers should usually take as few shots as possible. Keep things simple and make it as easy as possible.

As far as running the Eq for the first 6 weeks, in real world effects, it seems to take awhile before it's effects are very noticable. I don't know of anyone with experience using it who would recommend it for a first timers cycle at just 6 weeks.

Boldenone uses the undecylenate ester which is 11 carbons long and will probably take up to 4 weeks for you to notice it's effects. Then 2 weeks later you stop taking it? It makes no sense but with all your research, someone who knew what they were talking about actually suggested this?

Good luck,
MaxRep

 

[Deacon]

listen to MaxRep - he has tried very nicely to explain it to you - forget your research and I'kk give you some real world advice - EQ needs to be run 12 weeks minimum, period, or forget about running it at all.

EQ is not a short cycle choice.

 

[SikFuk!]

nevermind

 

[donniedarko]

Thank you for the responses and criticisms. One of the goals of my cycle was to have the steroids out of my system a couple of days after the last shot. I understand suppression is a natural consequence of steroids, I was trying to keep the suppression time as short as possible. This may have overcomplicated things. I have no problem injecting everyday, and did not realize it would over complicate things. Thanks Max Rep for the explanation on the EQ, my concern was to time the EQ to end with the cycle due to it's long halflife. I did not think it would jeapordize the gains that much.

Thanks,
DD

 

[jocko]

maxrep i have used eq at high doses for 6 weeks and i saw good gains.....i guess everyone is different with their response to gear
keep in mind i am talking 1200 mg week
btw my response was to his whole cycle not just the eq
his test doses are good the winstrol is being used at the right time
maxrep you gave some good advise i feel i did the same based on my past cycle experience.....different things work for different people...peace

 

[MaxRep]

Thank you for the responses and criticisms. One of the goals of my cycle was to have the steroids out of my system a couple of days after the last shot. I understand suppression is a natural consequence of steroids, I was trying to keep the suppression time as short as possible. This may have overcomplicated things. I have no problem injecting everyday, and did not realize it would over complicate things. Thanks Max Rep for the explanation on the EQ, my concern was to time the EQ to end with the cycle due to it's long halflife. I did not think it would jeapordize the gains that much.

Thanks,
DD

DD, It looks like you realize the criticisms were intended constructively. Although I may be overly blunt on occassion, my intent is for you to be successful and avoid many of the errors most of us old timers have made. Oh wait... did I say that, because we never made/make mistakes...

Regarding injection frequency, right now, you think ED shots are no big deal. Later as you realize more shots equal more scar tissue buildup and more opportunities for problems, you may want to stick with products that work well with twice a week injections. The first week may not be too bad but by the third or fourth week, you start to feel like a human pin cushion.

Just a suggestion but you can't go wrong with the following cycle:

Wk 1-2 Test cyp 1,000mg
Wk 1-2 Eq 800mg
Wk 3-12 Test 500mg
Wk 3-11 Eq 400mg
Wk 14-18 PCT

Eat enough calories with 2x's your weight in grams of protein and if your training and resting are right, you could put on 30 pounds of muscle.

As far as keeping suppression to a minimum, a little hcg a few times a week seems to help. I think there's some good info in the HRT forum by Swale.

Good luck,
MaxRep

 

[MaxRep]

maxrep i have used eq at high doses for 6 weeks and i saw good gains.....i guess everyone is different with their response to gear
keep in mind i am talking 1200 mg week
btw my response was to his whole cycle not just the eq
his test doses are good the winstrol is being used at the right time
maxrep you gave some good advise i feel i did the same based on my past cycle experience.....different things work for different people...peace

Jocko, that's true but you can not compare 1,200 mg/week with 400mg/wk.

And since he mentioned he wants this to be a bulking cycle,and it's his first cycle, IMO, the winstrol is worthless. His original test dosage was 500mg/wk and then with the prop EOD he drops down to 350mg/wk... on every count his original cycle was way off base.

However, you are correct that different things work for different people. But for a first timers cycle, with no experience to work from, you start with the basics.

Peace,
MaxRep

 

[donniedarko]

Thanks for the advice. Does adding 30 mg/ed of DBol make sense for weeks 1 - 6 while waiting for the EQ to kick start?

Thanks again,
DD

 

[MaxRep]

Thanks for the advice. Does adding 30 mg/ed of DBol make sense for weeks 1 - 6 while waiting for the EQ to kick start?

Thanks again,
DD

It depends on what you do with the injectibles the first few weeks. If you front load with them for a few weeks, then you shouldn't need the dbol. If you don't, then yes, the dbol could be used for the first month. Keep in mind dbol aromatizes quickly and causes a lot of water retention.

MaxRep