Deca base blast

[nobrel3]

Hi guys,

I would like some suggestions about running nandrolone higher than Test. Never done it before, could you share some experiences please? Also what ratio did did you take 1:1, 1:2 nand, etc.

About me

• 31 years
• 1.92cm
• 94kg
• 13% BF

I have a few years of training between comings and goings for a few years, but I had surgery in early 2022 and went back to training in Jun/22, training and keeping a good diet. I was in a cutting for 3 months and dropped about 4% BF and just started a bulk, around 3.200kcal, my basal is around 2.600-2.800kcal

I am running, 200mg enan/week and had a few experiences using gear in the past, like bold, nand, oxan, oxy, test.

I did some exams, 3 weeks ago the only things that are a little changed are:

SHBG - 6.8nmol/L - Ref: 11 - 73 - LOW
Estradiol - 168pmol/L - Ref: 91-161 - HIGH
AST (TGO) - 45 I.U./l - Ref: 19-42 - HIGH
ALT (TGP) - 70 I.U./l - Ref: 0-55
HDL - 0.73 nmol/l - Ref: >1


About Blast I'm thinking:
1-14 200mg enant
1-14 300mg deca to 500mg deca
10-14 50mg oxym


HCG 250iu 2x a week intra cycle

One of the concerns that I'm having is about hair loss, I know its always part of the process, Ive done a hair transplant 1 year ago, and didnt have any hair falling since then, about 2 weeks ago when I rise the test e for 300mg I started seeing a dramatic increase of hair loss, that's why I was thinking in running a deca base blast instead of a test base, my initial though was 600mg enan and 300mg deca, but for this reason and also seeing a lot of good people talking about benefits of deca base cycles I'm thinking in try it

Can you tell me how was your experience, in terms of gains, control of prolactin and side effects?


Thank you very much!

 

[NineteenNor]

I've never run test with deca. Just deca: there is very little concern for hair loss because its 5α-reductase metabolite DHN is a relatively impotent androgen V.S. testosterone where DHT causes local potentiation in androgenic tissues e.g., the scalp.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

I switched this year from test I base.

Start at 600mg I usually run it 1000-1500mg it’s very light on the body and very anabolic, no side effects haven’t noticed anything really.

 

[Aquaman]

Ran test with Deca a while back. 500 Test and 350 Deca and had e2 issues, stressed, anxiety, sadness, ED the lot! Prolactin and oestrogen of the charts. Now running 200 test with 300 NPP and 100 Deca so when I finish NPP I’ll keep the 100 Deca in with cruise for joint support. Absolutely zero issues and feeling great! Using on a cut this time and diet is very tight. Last time was a bull and was a bit fat….this time round so much better.

 

[Aquaman]

Also running 300 P5p daily. 0.25 Adex e3d.

 

[SkinnyNatty]

I've done a deca only cycle 1 year back. 500mg/week. Muscle and strength gains were amazing and was able to maintain the most of it. No much side effect. Went very well.
Currently i'm on 7th week of Deca (500mg) & Test Cyp (250mg) cycle. Had Dbol till the 4th week. Haven't pulled the bloodworks yet. Added Cyp from the 5th week. Still waiting for the cyp to kick in. Not sure if it had even started acting in my system. Gained around 15lbs already. Strength is above the roof. Planning for a 16 week cycle. May lower the dosage of Deca(not so sure)to 250mg and Increase Test to 500 in coming weeks just to see how Test Cyp works for me.

 

[nobrel3]

I've never run test with deca. Just deca: there is very little concern for hair loss because its 5α-reductase metabolite DHN is a relatively impotent androgen V.S. testosterone where DHT causes local potentiation in androgenic tissues e.g., the scalp.

I've saw some good explanations you have in other post about deca, if I'm not wrong you were telling about not using with finasteride or dutasteride, right?

But have you ran deca for long periods and low doses like 200mg with no issues like the sex drive, erection?

 

[nobrel3]

I switched this year from test I base.

Start at 600mg I usually run it 1000-1500mg it’s very light on the body and very anabolic, no side effects haven’t noticed anything really.

GOod to know man, I'm seing a lots of good feedbacks about changing from test base to nandro, thanks for the comment

 

[nobrel3]

Also running 300 P5p daily. 0.25 Adex e3d.

thanks for the comment mate, I would just advice to have some care using adex as too low e2 is not good for joints, sex drive, etc...

 

[nobrel3]

I've done a deca only cycle 1 year back. 500mg/week. Muscle and strength gains were amazing and was able to maintain the most of it. No much side effect. Went very well.
Currently i'm on 7th week of Deca (500mg) & Test Cyp (250mg) cycle. Had Dbol till the 4th week. Haven't pulled the bloodworks yet. Added Cyp from the 5th week. Still waiting for the cyp to kick in. Not sure if it had even started acting in my system. Gained around 15lbs already. Strength is above the roof. Planning for a 16 week cycle. May lower the dosage of Deca(not so sure)to 250mg and Increase Test to 500 in coming weeks just to see how Test Cyp works for me.

Thanks mate, seems pretty good, for some reason Cyp get me more bloat, not sure why, but good to know that with deca higher then testo you getting these amount of gains, 15lbs it's a lot, probably some water retention but even though at least 5-10llbs of muscle for sure

 

[Aquaman]

thanks for the comment mate, I would just advice to have some care using adex as too low e2 is not good for joints, sex drive, etc...

Thanks bud. Only reason I went for low ish test is because I aromatise fairly easily. So the Adex dosage calc was off the last blasts I did. I assumed with the added nandro it would aromatise a little more so this dosage is actually less than I calculated if need. But I was fatter than I am right now but I feel ok.

 

[Aquaman]

To be fair I’m not taking Adex e3d I take 0.25 with my shots of test mon and Thursday so it is less than that.

 

[Juicedhead]

bro deca is very mild on the hairline. youre losing hair from testosterone most likley, have you looked into a fina or something like that i dont recommend the oral version but i guess the topical is very good without the weird as sexual sides that the oral version has. since youve had a transplant i assue youre hair is important to you so bro dont waste all your money you spent to have that done so either get on something thats going to stop that or dont take gear shit id be pissed if i paid for hair trans and the shit started falling out

 

[nobrel3]

bro deca is very mild on the hairline. youre losing hair from testosterone most likley, have you looked into a fina or something like that i dont recommend the oral version but i guess the topical is very good without the weird as sexual sides that the oral version has. since youve had a transplant i assue youre hair is important to you so bro dont waste all your money you spent to have that done so either get on something thats going to stop that or dont take gear shit id be pissed if i paid for hair trans and the shit started falling out

Thanks for the tips mate. I started using some mixodil + ketaconazole + some vitamins like NAC, selenium, MSM, etc. I was going to use some finasterid but I'm not sure about the synergy of that while using test, couldn't find a good answer on forums, but adding the Deca, I know it's not a good idea as it will make things worse.

I believe dutasteride has the same problem while using Deca, need to do some research on that.

Yes the hair it's quite important, that's one of the reasons I was out of gear for a while, but to be honest the hair transplanted doesnt fall as they do not connect with DHT, the ones in the side which I have quite a lot, started to fall, and I started feelling like the density has dropped, when I started using 300mg enan, that's why I went back to 200mg. My expectation is that low dosage of Deca, like 250mg wouldnt affect that much, as you said and I've seen lots of people commenting that deca is quite mild on the hairline. I first had some resistence about that, whole life hearing that Test always should be base, it was hard to accept deca, but I'm brazilian and I've been seen people and coachs talking a lot about deca base, looks like that how was before in the gold era of bb.

The gear I'm currently using a lab called Viogen, it's ok, living in Ireland it's quite hard to get gear through customs after the Brexit, cause my main suppliers were from there. But I just ordered from Human Labs, have seen some reviews, I hope it's good quality if not I will give a shot to Chilton, even though is UK I heard some fellas that managed to get though customs. Have you had any experience with HL?

 

[Juicedhead]

bro i wouldnt worry about the fina and different compounds that shit stops hair loss in its tracks i was on it for many yerts and i pushed gear hard over a gram of test at times tren, eq, deca, orals. I never lost one freaking hair man not even in the shower if i ran my hand thru my hair i wold never get any. I think thats all bs about it only working for test. for me it stopped hair loss from all steroids. But i had those weird sides (couldnt hold my load) and i had to stop it, But if you want to run cycles and not worry about hair loss just use fina thats all i used fina 1mg ed and it worked and worked well. you will grow new hair my hair was so thick girls would be jelouse they say i wish i had your hair hhaa

 

[NineteenNor]

I've saw some good explanations you have in other post about deca, if I'm not wrong you were telling about not using with finasteride or dutasteride, right?

But have you ran deca for long periods and low doses like 200mg with no issues like the sex drive, erection?

5α-reductase inhibitors - I would never use one personally.

I don't like long exposure (bad for health) prefer to blast cycle on and then completely off. That said, I always experience significantly increased libido when on deca and have never had an erection problem. Problems arise when people add testosterone to nandrolone.

 

[bigboy420]

Ok nandrolone base is the new TRT?