Deca Sust Cycle question. Male over 40

PIP427

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I was trying to wait until May before I started my cycle. Its been over 15 years.
My primary reason is due to my knees, been in PT for just about a year, need to build up the muscle in my legs to help compensate for the weak knees. All stocked up and ready to go for May. However, I caved in and coaxed myself into a short cycle thinking it would be a good boost. Kind of glad I did, I am feeling great and my diet is on point. By this I mean eating healthy and often.

Stats:
Male, 42, 6 ft. 1” 180lb dry and I would say 18% body fat.
Total test prior to cycle 600
Cholesterol 286, and not good, I feel that my new diet will bring this down.
Resting heart rate 52
Avg Heart rate during cardio, 130.

Diet consists of real Oatmeal with some honey, figs, egg beaters, lots of sushi, Ahi tuna steaks, chicken, brown rice, red meat maybe once a week, nitro tech protein. Twinlab Daily One caps, vitamin D, fish oil, etc. Also, have Milk Thistle on hand.

6 Days on 1 day off. Cardio 30 min elliptical 3 times a week. 10 min elliptical warm up each day as well.

Gear, Astro (pharma grade) 250mg Sust amps, 100mg Deca amps.
Once a week 250 Sust, 200mg Deca.
Took my third pin yesterday.

Feeling great as of the past two days, dry weight is up 3lbs to 183, my body is clearly changing as of the past 3 days. Feeling tight, gaining mass and strength. My dress shirts are tight in my chest area, stomach/my gut is down considerably. My upper body has always responded fairly quickly, its my skinny ass legs that take forever.

Must also comment that personally I feel good, my blood pressure has dropped to 110 over 58. I was 130 over 68 prior to changing my diet a few months ago. I am under a ton of stress, due to my job, however I am now noticing a change for the better!

Now to my questions. I was planning on just doing a quick 4 week cycle at the current dosage. Then continue to train and run a full 10 to 16 week cycle in May. Spoke with another Vet here on the forum and stated that a 4 week may not be a good idea.
Will a 4 week cycle work?
I have a bunch PCT and HCG on hand, is it needed in this case?
What is the best way to come off and get back to my natty 600 total test?

Lastly, yes I know better and should have waited. As long as I don’t screw this up and continue on this path of progression, then I am glad I started. I am feeling great and I needed that.

Thx fellas.
 
i would try and get your bf% down before hopping on a cycle bro, that way your gains will be a lot cleaner. But thats just me.
 
There is no point in running deca for any less than 10 weeks by the way, some say 8. Reguardless you're waisting it on a 4 week test run.
 
should I run an 8 week or quit now?

You would want to run deca at 8 weeks minimum and test 1-2 weeks after the deca, you always want to run test longer than deca to reduce risk of the infamous "deca-dick". so my advice to you is to make it a 10 week cycle.

Deca 1-8 weeks
Sustanon 1-10 weeks
PCT 19 days after last Sustanon pin
 
first off you need to research the half life of deca...

for someone at 42. that doesn't want to be on TRT.... drop the deca.

just my .02.

if you continue with its use... i would run that test a lot longer than 2 weeks after discontinuing the deca.

lastly plan your PCT in regards to the half life. especially the deca.

remember your sustanon has long and short esters... so plan that as well. the deca is the killer for proper PCT planning.

in addition keep close eye on that blood pressure... you don't want to stroke out.

good luck.
 
first off you need to research the half life of deca...

for someone at 42. that doesn't want to be on TRT.... drop the deca.

just my .02.

if you continue with its use... i would run that test a lot longer than 2 weeks after discontinuing the deca.

lastly plan your PCT in regards to the half life. especially the deca.

remember your sustanon has long and short esters... so plan that as well. the deca is the killer for proper PCT planning.

in addition keep close eye on that blood pressure... you don't want to stroke out.

good luck.

2 weeks between the last pin of deca and the last pin of sustanon =14 days...half life of sustanon E esters 19 days, 14+19=33...thats over a month for your body to get rid of the deca. PLENTY of time.
 
2 weeks between the last pin of deca and the last pin of sustanon =14 days...half life of sustanon E esters 19 days, 14+19=33...thats over a month for your body to get rid of the deca. PLENTY of time.

19 days based on how many MGs??

OK...

talk to me when your on TRT...
 
19 days based on how many MGs??

OK...

talk to me when your on TRT...

When I get home tonight I will research Deca. I may just drop it if that works. I thought the weekly 200Mg would cause less sides but enough to get some of the joint benefits. Also thought 200mg weekly was low enough to not have to worry about TRT issues. Not interested in going on TRT. Again I will research it when I get home and will post my findings.
 
I'd drop the Deca since you said you don't want to go on trt. Very tough to recover from, especially when you're older.

I'd be REAL with everything careful since you have both high blood pressure, and cholesterol.
 
Don't have high blood pressure at the moment on avg I am 110 over 60.
But yes I will keep and eye on the cholesterol.
 
I don't think it matters that you are 40 bro (i am 44) i think what matters is you haven't been on for 15 years.
Take advantage of your clean receptors just use test-e,test-e or sust one of the three. Cycle for 12 weeks @500mg a week .
Treat this cycle like it was your first and then on your second cycle you can try your hand in stacking.
I am also over 40 and i have used deca @ doses of 800mgs a wk but i learned that NPP is better because it is a short ester compound,and if you don't respond well it will be out of your system so much quicker than DECA.
 
As far as test i love the "painless prop", but any test will do the job as long as it's real. Alot of people don't like sust. i have taking it twice and love it. Most people don't like it b/c of the prop. that should be taking e.o.d. If u already have the sust. then i would take a smaller dose of it e.o.d.
 
Good advice. I would go even longer on test because deca needs way more time to clear.

Some will argue that you have to run deca for a least 10 weeks to see any gains. However that is not how I use it. I use it primarily to heal up injuries so I can have a less painful cycle. As such I run deca 600, 400, 200 (week). You may need another week two of 200. I then can get at least 10 weeks off before trt or restart. As others mentioned, it takes forever to clear. Finally, as mentioned, look into NPP.


You should have gottn more time training naturally, but as it is I would recommend just swapping out the deca for var, 40-50 mgs 1 hour before training,

Finally, that cholesterol must come down.


first off you need to research the half life of deca...

for someone at 42. that doesn't want to be on TRT.... drop the deca.

just my .02.

if you continue with its use... i would run that test a lot longer than 2 weeks after discontinuing the deca.

lastly plan your PCT in regards to the half life. especially the deca.

remember your sustanon has long and short esters... so plan that as well. the deca is the killer for proper PCT planning.

in addition keep close eye on that blood pressure... you don't want to stroke out.

good luck.
 
Did some research with the help of Bill Roberts,

Cut and paste from Bill Roberts. Ty Bill.
Deca Durabolin and Joints:
Further, where athletes have joint problems, in many instances use of Deca in a steroid cycle has the positive side effect of providing some aid. Even doses as low as 100 mg/week can entirely suffice for this purpose in many instances.

Deca Durabolin and Recovery of Testosterone Production:
Unfortunately, Deca Durabolin usage very commonly has the adverse side effect of interfering with recovery of natural testosterone production after a steroid cycle. Adverse side effect on libido and/or erectile function is also common, but typically only when dosage is at least 200-400 mg/week or when the drug is used alone at any effective dose. Problems are worse when Deca is not combined with testosterone.

From what I have read it looks like the half-life of Deca is 15 days.

Being that I am making good gains already, can I drop the deca and just run the sust for another 5 weeks making this an 8 week cycle?

First 3 weekly pins were 250mg sust, 200mg deca. If I run 250mg sust only for the next 5 weeks do I need to Run PCT and HCG? I have all on hand.

I would just like to use this cycle as a jump start then continue to train and run a full cycle in May.

Thx All.
 
did some research with the help of bill roberts,

cut and paste from bill roberts. Ty bill.
Deca durabolin and joints:
Further, where athletes have joint problems, in many instances use of deca in a steroid cycle has the positive side effect of providing some aid. even doses as low as 100 mg/week can entirely suffice for this purpose in many instances.

Deca durabolin and recovery of testosterone production:
Unfortunately, deca durabolin usage very commonly has the adverse side effect of interfering with recovery of natural testosterone production after a steroid cycle. Adverse side effect on libido and/or erectile function is also common, but typically only when dosage is at least 200-400 mg/week or when the drug is used alone at any effective dose. problems are worse when deca is not combined with testosterone.

from what i have read it looks like the half-life of deca is 15 days.

Being that i am making good gains already, can i drop the deca and just run the sust for another 5 weeks making this an 8 week cycle?

First 3 weekly pins were 250mg sust, 200mg deca. If i run 250mg sust only for the next 5 weeks do i need to run pct and hcg? I have all on hand.

I would just like to use this cycle as a jump start then continue to train and run a full cycle in may.

Thx all.

alaways run pct!!!!!
 
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