DNP information, advice needed before starting a cycle

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I have been reading a lot on the subject, i even read all the articles i could find and i took me a while, i also have already ran DNP in the past however due to the job i had DNP sides were awful as i was working in a warm environment plus some physical activity, i was a welder in a metal shop so torches and DNP aren't really friends.

The reason i'm asking for your advice is that i find totally opposite points of view in terms of information about DNP.

This is what i found.

Carbohydrates are converted to glucose with an efficiency of 100%
"Almost all the carbohydrate eaten will be converted into glucose in the body. The only carbohydrates not changed to glucose are those that cannot be digested, like fiber. "
DNP depletes glucose, and we all hear that carbs are dissipated as heat instead of being stored as fat.
Doesn't this mean that calories from carbohydrates aren't stored as fat?

Assuming this is true, a diet consisting of mainly carbs (80-100% of the total calorie intake) would be beneficial as only the 0-20% would count toward the calorie intake.

"The digestive system breaks down carbohydrate-containing foods into simple sugars, mainly glucose."
Home | Better Health Channel

"If you add DNP, though, it blocks the ability of the cell to convert ADP to ATP, but it also disables the "throttle" - and without ADP as a limiting factor, metabolism goes all-out. This means that the cell will exhaust its glucose supply very quickly, without producing much ATP, with the unused energy being released as heat.
This actually happens naturally in infants, though. Deposits of fat cells around the torso are naturally decoupled - they burn fat and produce heat instead of ATP, keeping the child warm. These are specialized cells, though - the cells are meant to exhaust their fat supply then self-destruct. Such decoupling in vital cells would be disastrous."
Dinitrophenol is an uncoupler...? - Yahoo! Answers

Isn't this what basically happens with DNP?

"Inside your cells, the glucose is burned to produce heat and adenosine triphosphate (ATP), a molecule that stores and releases energy as required by the cell. The transformation of glucose into energy occurs in one of two ways: with oxygen or without it. Glucose is converted to energy with oxygen in the mitochondria — tiny bodies in the jellylike substance inside every cell. This conversion yields energy (ATP, heat) plus water and carbon dioxide — a waste product."
How Your Body Turns Carbohydrates into Energy - For Dummies

Isn't this basically saying that most carbs which are mainly converted to glucose be dissipated as heat? So if the cells consume the glucose without making much ATP the amount of energy created would be a lot less which translates in a reduction of calories from carbohydrates.

"Essa droga foi prescrita para ajudar na redução do peso porque levaria o organismo a não utilizar os alimentos da dieta para obtenção de ATP"
ED de Bioquímica
Translated
This drug (DNP) was prescribed to help in weight reduction because it will make the body unable to use food to create ATP.

"As body temperature increases, so does metabolism. The two subjects become directly related in nearly every form of living, such as eating, sleeping and through exercise and physical exertion."
FitDay - Free Weight Loss and Diet Journal

So won't that heat actually aid the weight loss?

Sorry for mixing a lot of different aspects of DNP however i couldn't find a decent answer to any, too much brocience which really annoys me.

Is there a flaw in my logic?
Feel free to criticize or to correct me as i'm no genius nor expert on the matter.

Ps:
Please don't warn me against the use of DNP or post stupid comments.
 
I have been reading a lot on the subject, i even read all the articles i could find and i took me a while, i also have already ran DNP in the past however due to the job i had DNP sides were awful as i was working in a warm environment plus some physical activity, i was a welder in a metal shop so torches and DNP aren't really friends.

The reason i'm asking for your advice is that i find totally opposite points of view in terms of information about DNP.

This is what i found.

Carbohydrates are converted to glucose with an efficiency of 100%
"Almost all the carbohydrate eaten will be converted into glucose in the body. The only carbohydrates not changed to glucose are those that cannot be digested, like fiber. "
DNP depletes glucose, and we all hear that carbs are dissipated as heat instead of being stored as fat.
Doesn't this mean that calories from carbohydrates aren't stored as fat?

Assuming this is true, a diet consisting of mainly carbs (80-100% of the total calorie intake) would be beneficial as only the 0-20% would count toward the calorie intake.

"The digestive system breaks down carbohydrate-containing foods into simple sugars, mainly glucose."
Home | Better Health Channel

"If you add DNP, though, it blocks the ability of the cell to convert ADP to ATP, but it also disables the "throttle" - and without ADP as a limiting factor, metabolism goes all-out. This means that the cell will exhaust its glucose supply very quickly, without producing much ATP, with the unused energy being released as heat.
This actually happens naturally in infants, though. Deposits of fat cells around the torso are naturally decoupled - they burn fat and produce heat instead of ATP, keeping the child warm. These are specialized cells, though - the cells are meant to exhaust their fat supply then self-destruct. Such decoupling in vital cells would be disastrous."
Dinitrophenol is an uncoupler...? - Yahoo! Answers

Isn't this what basically happens with DNP?

"Inside your cells, the glucose is burned to produce heat and adenosine triphosphate (ATP), a molecule that stores and releases energy as required by the cell. The transformation of glucose into energy occurs in one of two ways: with oxygen or without it. Glucose is converted to energy with oxygen in the mitochondria — tiny bodies in the jellylike substance inside every cell. This conversion yields energy (ATP, heat) plus water and carbon dioxide — a waste product."
How Your Body Turns Carbohydrates into Energy - For Dummies

Isn't this basically saying that most carbs which are mainly converted to glucose be dissipated as heat? So if the cells consume the glucose without making much ATP the amount of energy created would be a lot less which translates in a reduction of calories from carbohydrates.

"Essa droga foi prescrita para ajudar na redução do peso porque levaria o organismo a não utilizar os alimentos da dieta para obtenção de ATP"
ED de Bioquímica
Translated
This drug (DNP) was prescribed to help in weight reduction because it will make the body unable to use food to create ATP.

"As body temperature increases, so does metabolism. The two subjects become directly related in nearly every form of living, such as eating, sleeping and through exercise and physical exertion."
FitDay - Free Weight Loss and Diet Journal

So won't that heat actually aid the weight loss?

Sorry for mixing a lot of different aspects of DNP however i couldn't find a decent answer to any, too much brocience which really annoys me.

Is there a flaw in my logic?
Feel free to criticize or to correct me as i'm no genius nor expert on the matter.

Ps:
Please don't warn me against the use of DNP or post stupid comments.


DNP works great,
Having said that when I was on the Ryan in July heat pumping 1000 yds of Concrete a day I just had to stop.. Now with winter and few new Training fattys I have cum up on sum... U no, control what u can.. eat right, take a good mulit and train according.
 
I have been reading a lot on the subject, i even read all the articles i could find and i took me a while, i also have already ran DNP in the past however due to the job i had DNP sides were awful as i was working in a warm environment plus some physical activity, i was a welder in a metal shop so torches and DNP aren't really friends.

The reason i'm asking for your advice is that i find totally opposite points of view in terms of information about DNP.

This is what i found.

Carbohydrates are converted to glucose with an efficiency of 100%
"Almost all the carbohydrate eaten will be converted into glucose in the body. The only carbohydrates not changed to glucose are those that cannot be digested, like fiber. "
DNP depletes glucose, and we all hear that carbs are dissipated as heat instead of being stored as fat.
Doesn't this mean that calories from carbohydrates aren't stored as fat?

Assuming this is true, a diet consisting of mainly carbs (80-100% of the total calorie intake) would be beneficial as only the 0-20% would count toward the calorie intake.

"The digestive system breaks down carbohydrate-containing foods into simple sugars, mainly glucose."
Home | Better Health Channel

"If you add DNP, though, it blocks the ability of the cell to convert ADP to ATP, but it also disables the "throttle" - and without ADP as a limiting factor, metabolism goes all-out. This means that the cell will exhaust its glucose supply very quickly, without producing much ATP, with the unused energy being released as heat.
This actually happens naturally in infants, though. Deposits of fat cells around the torso are naturally decoupled - they burn fat and produce heat instead of ATP, keeping the child warm. These are specialized cells, though - the cells are meant to exhaust their fat supply then self-destruct. Such decoupling in vital cells would be disastrous."
Dinitrophenol is an uncoupler...? - Yahoo! Answers

Isn't this what basically happens with DNP?

"Inside your cells, the glucose is burned to produce heat and adenosine triphosphate (ATP), a molecule that stores and releases energy as required by the cell. The transformation of glucose into energy occurs in one of two ways: with oxygen or without it. Glucose is converted to energy with oxygen in the mitochondria — tiny bodies in the jellylike substance inside every cell. This conversion yields energy (ATP, heat) plus water and carbon dioxide — a waste product."
How Your Body Turns Carbohydrates into Energy - For Dummies

Isn't this basically saying that most carbs which are mainly converted to glucose be dissipated as heat? So if the cells consume the glucose without making much ATP the amount of energy created would be a lot less which translates in a reduction of calories from carbohydrates.

"Essa droga foi prescrita para ajudar na redução do peso porque levaria o organismo a não utilizar os alimentos da dieta para obtenção de ATP"
ED de Bioquímica
Translated
This drug (DNP) was prescribed to help in weight reduction because it will make the body unable to use food to create ATP.

"As body temperature increases, so does metabolism. The two subjects become directly related in nearly every form of living, such as eating, sleeping and through exercise and physical exertion."
FitDay - Free Weight Loss and Diet Journal

So won't that heat actually aid the weight loss?

Sorry for mixing a lot of different aspects of DNP however i couldn't find a decent answer to any, too much brocience which really annoys me.

Is there a flaw in my logic?
Feel free to criticize or to correct me as i'm no genius nor expert on the matter.

Ps:
Please don't warn me against the use of DNP or post stupid comments.

You are lookin at the cross roads of books and reality. When you ask won't the heat help the weight loss, we should examine for a bit.

Yes it will aid in the weight loss, but your life will be hell. :)

DNP works and after more and more people use it, we are slowly coming around to the idea that 250mg for an extended period of time is better than say 750 for a week. Because 750mg of DNP is barely tolerable.
 
Beware of the side effects...namely cataracts.

Due your due diligence and make up your mind if the benefits outweigh the risk.

Personally, eating right and a good cardio program will do the same.

It will just take a little longer.
 
I have been reading a lot on the subject, i even read all the articles i could find and i took me a while, i also have already ran DNP in the past however due to the job i had DNP sides were awful as i was working in a warm environment plus some physical activity, i was a welder in a metal shop so torches and DNP aren't really friends.

The reason i'm asking for your advice is that i find totally opposite points of view in terms of information about DNP.

This is what i found.

Carbohydrates are converted to glucose with an efficiency of 100%
"Almost all the carbohydrate eaten will be converted into glucose in the body. The only carbohydrates not changed to glucose are those that cannot be digested, like fiber. "
DNP depletes glucose, and we all hear that carbs are dissipated as heat instead of being stored as fat.
Doesn't this mean that calories from carbohydrates aren't stored as fat?

Assuming this is true, a diet consisting of mainly carbs (80-100% of the total calorie intake) would be beneficial as only the 0-20% would count toward the calorie intake.

"The digestive system breaks down carbohydrate-containing foods into simple sugars, mainly glucose."
Home | Better Health Channel

"If you add DNP, though, it blocks the ability of the cell to convert ADP to ATP, but it also disables the "throttle" - and without ADP as a limiting factor, metabolism goes all-out. This means that the cell will exhaust its glucose supply very quickly, without producing much ATP, with the unused energy being released as heat.
This actually happens naturally in infants, though. Deposits of fat cells around the torso are naturally decoupled - they burn fat and produce heat instead of ATP, keeping the child warm. These are specialized cells, though - the cells are meant to exhaust their fat supply then self-destruct. Such decoupling in vital cells would be disastrous."
Dinitrophenol is an uncoupler...? - Yahoo! Answers

Isn't this what basically happens with DNP?

"Inside your cells, the glucose is burned to produce heat and adenosine triphosphate (ATP), a molecule that stores and releases energy as required by the cell. The transformation of glucose into energy occurs in one of two ways: with oxygen or without it. Glucose is converted to energy with oxygen in the mitochondria — tiny bodies in the jellylike substance inside every cell. This conversion yields energy (ATP, heat) plus water and carbon dioxide — a waste product."
How Your Body Turns Carbohydrates into Energy - For Dummies

Isn't this basically saying that most carbs which are mainly converted to glucose be dissipated as heat? So if the cells consume the glucose without making much ATP the amount of energy created would be a lot less which translates in a reduction of calories from carbohydrates.

"Essa droga foi prescrita para ajudar na redução do peso porque levaria o organismo a não utilizar os alimentos da dieta para obtenção de ATP"
ED de Bioquímica
Translated
This drug (DNP) was prescribed to help in weight reduction because it will make the body unable to use food to create ATP.

"As body temperature increases, so does metabolism. The two subjects become directly related in nearly every form of living, such as eating, sleeping and through exercise and physical exertion."
FitDay - Free Weight Loss and Diet Journal

So won't that heat actually aid the weight loss?

Sorry for mixing a lot of different aspects of DNP however i couldn't find a decent answer to any, too much brocience which really annoys me.

Is there a flaw in my logic?
Feel free to criticize or to correct me as i'm no genius nor expert on the matter.

Ps:
Please don't warn me against the use of DNP or post stupid comments.

Would you mind listing your questions? That's a long post.
 
You are lookin at the cross roads of books and reality. When you ask won't the heat help the weight loss, we should examine for a bit.

Yes it will aid in the weight loss, but your life will be hell. :)

DNP works and after more and more people use it, we are slowly coming around to the idea that 250mg for an extended period of time is better than say 750 for a week. Because 750mg of DNP is barely tolerable.

Great post. 250mg/dayI could take for months, tolerate well, and get good results. I like the lower dose dnp protocol personally.
 
Personally, I would rather rely on training, diet and cutting gear like Masteron.

Granted, I have never taken DNP, but the sides that are proven scare me away. I believe DNP was designed to be a poison, yes?
 
Personally, I would rather rely on training, diet and cutting gear like Masteron.

Granted, I have never taken DNP, but the sides that are proven scare me away. I believe DNP was designed to be a poison, yes?

A wood stain and component of dynamic. But hell yeah it's a poison. So is alcohol, nicotine, and trans fats.
 
Its the only info I've seen. I keep an open mind. If you have information to the contrary, post up.

I'm 39 years old....

Did two 2 week cycles of dnp.

Cycled up to 600 mg using powder the first time and crystal the second.

Both cycles were in the same year.

After approx 8 mos... I now have slight cataracts in both eyes!

I am very diligent about seeing my ophthalmologist once a year. He just about fell out of his seat when he saw them.

All I can say is be careful!! Loosing a few pounds is not worth permanent health damage.
 
I did not use any DNP prepping for the pic of me on my Avatar, just lots of gear (also used clen and t3) and 2 hours of cardio a day, every day. If I missed, say an hour on one day, the next day I would do 3.
 
I did not use any DNP prepping for the pic of me on my Avatar, just lots of gear (also used clen and t3) and 2 hours of cardio a day, every day. If I missed, say an hour on one day, the next day I would do 3.
More power to you brother!! I don't see any difference except harder work? We're using compounds that these days are mostly UGL's?
There are many myths about DNP out there....Hey POB, remember that thread our friend posted at the other spot?
I feel for the member who's got cataracs(sp?) I do. But blaming the DNP is the easy thing to do, I don't think it's fair. This really is the first time hearing about this happening to a man. I am by no means the final word. But I bought my first 2 large bottles from a RC company back in the mid 90's before the DEA put it on their "Watched List".
Kinda reminds me when a couple of people had serious health issues with the herbal equiv of ephedrine in the original Hydroxycut and Ripped Fuel yrs back. The feds stepped in and pulled it. This while way more people are having serious health issues with acet/tylenol.
 
DNP works Awesome.
2 awesome. the crazy side occur when a person 100% fine on 3-400 a day doubles that.. I run it on my fat clients and they loose 20-30 lb of pure fat in 12 days. once they c they are on the right track the Hard work and diet begins much easier
 
DNP works Awesome.
2 awesome. the crazy side occur when a person 100% fine on 3-400 a day doubles that.. I run it on my fat clients and they loose 20-30 lb of pure fat in 12 days. once they c they are on the right track the Hard work and diet begins much easier

Wow, that is a lot......maybe I will give it a try.
 
Don't be shy. Misery loves company! You guys that compete seem to enjoy what I hate and it's because you have your eye on the prize....that goal for show time.

I was 32 at my last show (pic in avatar). I was taught by my mentor that rule #1 in competitive bodybuilding is you "must be willing to die, cease metabolism, disappear from the Earth....then and only then can you even think about doing a show."

At 50 I probably would die....scratch that, I definitely would die if I did the things I did at 32. Body building is a very, very dangerous sport. More dangerous than MMA, and car racing.
 
I wouldn't say the sport itself is dangerous however what it takes to get to achieve 1st places can be unhealthy and really hazardous. There are many sports in which athletes use and sometimes abuse steroids the same way as bodybuilders however there are some sports that besides that you can break bones or even die while competing or training.

I found a post by conciliator about the increase in mitochondrial density when using DNP, in theory, as the mitochondria isn't working 100% of what it should when using DNP the body increases the mitochondrial density in the thinking that this will help produce DNP.

Related to this i found this on these 2 websites.
http://www.coachcalorie.com/increase-mitochondrial-density/
http://biketechreview.com/performance/supply/48-mitochondria-the-aerobic-engines (Mitochondria: The Aerobic Engines)

In which they state that an increase in the mitochondria density leads to more fat burning as the mitochondria is now capable of using more fat to produce energy. And an increase of performance in endurance exercises.

If DNP directly or indirectly increases the mitochondria density then we are looking at a better fat loss and a better endurance even after discontinuing DNP.

Stating that DNP can kill you is just dumb, how many things can kill you if you take too much? Alcohol, Nicotine, caffeine, paracetamol, aspirin well the list go on and on and people die from paracetamol overdoses.
If this thought that DNP is an evil poison that has nothing to offer stopped we would have way more information on the subject, but i guess that big pharma isn't really interested as they can't make money from DNP.

I would love if conciliator was back on this forum, haven't seen him for a while.

Everywhere i look i find something saying that the amount of energy that ingested food produces is greatly reduced by DNP. I even found websites that said that with a high dnp dosage energy from ingested food would be almost zero.

Also as i stated previously, from the info i found an increase in body temperature causes an increase in the metabolism so you would burn even more calories after eating due to the energy from this being dissipated as heat.

So i don't get it, with an increase in the metabolic rate plus a reduction in the amount of calories from food won't even a diet well above maintenance make you lose almost the same amount of fat as a calorie restriction diet?

Again i'm sorry for the length of my post.
 
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