Does this cycle suck?

[spillburt]

This is my 5th cycle. I have most of the gear... Just looking for some help on the dosages and pct regimine.
Stats 250lbs, 31yo around 17% bf... yeah I know shouldn't I be doing a cutting cycle? Well winter is coming so fuggit!

Weeks
1-4 - 40mg D-bol ED
1-4 - 40mcg IGF1 ED post workout
1-12 - 200mg Test Prop EOD
1-12 - 400mg EQ EW
1-12 - Femara 2.5mg EOD
8-12 - Tren Enan 500mg EW
PCT
12-14 - 500iu HCG ED
12-14 - Nolva 20mg ED
12-14 - Clomid 100mg ED

Should I extend the PCT longer and should I throw in some Dostinex in with the Tren Enan, if I can find some?

Thanks meso bro's

 

[coachj0233]

ok well i personally think you should run the tren from weeks 5-12.

also you need to start your post cycle on week 15. no point in starting post cycle while you have the EQ and Tren E still working their magic.

if you have the money for dostinex then id advise you to get it.

and maybe instead of doing the HCG at the very end, do 500iu once every week. i know alot of guys that do this and love what it does for them.

as far as your nolva and clomid doses at the end, is this what youve always done in the past and it works for you? i dont really see the need for both actually. id chose either or. i personally will never use clomid just bc i know it makes alot of people break out since their hormones are all out of whack when going into post cycle and im pretty prone to severe acne. if you do a post cycle of only nolvadex, then you can do 60mg ed/ 40mg ed/ 40mg ed.

good luck with your cycle
-coachj

 

[Starkraven]

hey bro follow the KISS principle. keep it simple. ive been told this for a while. go with test/tren maybe eq OR dbol but not both. Also dont start out with 500mg+ tren E your first time. it is stronger mg for mg than tren ace so start out with 250-375mg some bros are backing down from 500mg. so you need to assess your tolerance first.

i like to keep things simple ---> test e 750mg per week, tren e 375mg per week with nolv/prov.

 

[Starkraven]

BTW run that tren E longer than 4 weeks bro!! IT only takes that long to kick in. Go for 10 weeks.

 

[MaxRep]

Big Karch and SR are correct, keep it simple. While I don't completely agree with either of their proposed cycles, you won't go wrong with keeping your dosages low. Steroids are just the icing on the cake. Make your gains through training and diet.

Your IGF will work better if you get the juice going for a few weeks first. Hopefully you've already researched IGF and also know it works best with massive doses of protein. Protein at 3 grams/pound of bodyweight wouldn't be too much.

SR, your statement here is easily shown to be incorrect:

it (tren enan) is stronger mg for mg than tren ace QUOTE]

I'll make this as simple as possible so everyone can follow along and do this for themselves next time someone makes a bassackward statement.
(molecular weights are rounded off)

The molecular weight of Trenbolone base is 270.

The molecular weight of Trenbolone Acetate is 330.

The moleculuar weight of Trenbolone Enanthate is 401.

Now we calculate the % of the molecule which is actual steroid.

Tren Ace = 270/330 = 82% Trenbolone

Tren Enan = 270/401 = 67% Trenbolone

What this means is that if I inject 500mg of Tren Ace, I am actually injecting 410mg of Trenbolone and the rest is made up of the ester.

If I inject 500 mg of Tren Enan, I am actually injecting 335mg of Trenbolone and the rest is ester.

That's the way it works folks. There's no way around the fact that you get more Tren (or any other steroid) per milligram with acetate than enanthate.

However, despite this, and having used both, I prefer Tren enanthate. Primarily because I greatly prefer 2 shots a week instead of 7.

There is the possibility that some are under this incorrect belief due to the longevity of Tren with the enanthate ester, the way it starts out slow and comes on strong. Preconceived notions and the belief system a person already has in place can also strongly influence the perceived effects. Also, Tren ace's effects stop quickly upon discontinuance while Tren enanthate's effects continue on for quite a while after discontinuance. So a 12 week cycle with longer esters is really providing gains for several more weeks after the last shot... making it effectively more like a 14 week cycle.

Good luck,
MaxRep

 

[spillburt]

Too complicated bro. Dont know your stats or prior training histrory, but a test/tren/dbol cycle is excellent. I suggest, given your stats, 600, maybe 750 mg of test, 500 mg of tren E, maybe up to 700 mg if you can handle the sides, and you are experienced enough given your diet and training. And 40 mg of dbol ED. I am not the most experienced bro on IGF, so I wont comment on that.

I suggest doing the above for 12 weeks with week 14 starting pct. But keep doing your dex or femara (if you can afford it, I personally would do the dex instead of femara given this cycle). I would do hcg at 500 iu for 10 days max or if you are like me 1000 iu's for 7 days along with the nolva/clen for 21 days after your last test shot.

Why leave out the EQ? just curious... My reasoning is that since I will stop the dbol at week 4 I will continue with the Test/Eq/Tren.

I have read some PCT cycles which recommend 1000iu HCG for 10 days but I have also read that 1000iu per day could or will damage the leydig cells.

 

[spillburt]

Big Karch and SR are correct, keep it simple. While I don't completely agree with either of their proposed cycles, you won't go wrong with keeping your dosages low. Steroids are just the icing on the cake. Make your gains through training and diet.

True true! I have been lifting for a few months now and have come pretty close to putting on the gains I lost when I stopped lifitng a few years ago. I did my cycles back then and did very well with simple ones. Like Test/Deca and Sust/Deca.

Your IGF will work better if you get the juice going for a few weeks first. Hopefully you've already researched IGF and also know it works best with massive doses of protein. Protein at 3 grams/pound of bodyweight wouldn't be too much.

I have done quite a bit of research on IGF. I came accross a great price on some and decided to try it with this cycle since it works well with AAS. I will be injecting into the worked musclegroups post workout.

3 grams of protein though, damn that's a lot. Time to buy 50lbs of whey and start a chicken farm

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However, despite this, and having used both, I prefer Tren enanthate. Primarily because I greatly prefer 2 shots a week instead of 7.

There is the possibility that some are under this incorrect belief due to the longevity of Tren with the enanthate ester, the way it starts out slow and comes on strong. Preconceived notions and the belief system a person already has in place can also strongly influence the perceived effects. Also, Tren ace's effects stop quickly upon discontinuance while Tren enanthate's effects continue on for quite a while after discontinuance. So a 12 week cycle with longer esters is really providing gains for several more weeks after the last shot... making it effectively more like a 14 week cycle.

Good luck,
MaxRep

Yes, I have done Tren Ace and had some bad sides, it was homebrew from pellets so... Injecting everyday isn't very fun like you said.

 

[MaxRep]

Bump for Max's reply

Hey amigo, didn't mean anything negative or that anything was really wrong with your proposed cycle.

However, based on him listing the Tren Enan. at weeks 8-12, I thought it clear he hadn't used it before. Anyone with Tren E. experience would normally run it longer than that, unless they had a specific reason not to. Therefore, as he's a first time user of it, I feel your recommendation for him to run it at 500-700mg/week is excessive. Unlike Tren Ace., if he develops problems on Tren E., he's stuck with those problems for another week or two after discontinuing it.

Since he's already using 700mg/week Test and 400mg/week Eq, he'll get great results off that alone. Even if he drops the Eq and just runs 700mg/week of Test, he's new enough to the game he'll still respond very well. The Tren should be looked at as a bonus and a trial run to see how he responds and how he likes it. IMO, for a situation like this, the Tren should be run at roughly 350-400mg/week and if everything goes well he can up the dosage on his next cycle.

Best,
MaxRep

 

[NDK]

EQ in IMO is fairly mild, depending on the dose of course. I would not have had the need for it with my Test/ tren cycles, the results were great with just those two. Keep it simple. For HCG I personally use it at 250 IU EOD during a tren cycle because I get shut down pretty hard from it. Using that protocol I kept testicular size near normal during my last 12 week contest cutter.