Dragon Pharma Test-E 250 PIP

[NFRCR]

Hi!

I haven't used Dragon Pharma before until now.

I did a quad injection yesterday. The injection felt smooth - no pain for 4 hours that I still stayed up. I took measures for a clean injection - showered right before, cleaned vial top and probably wiped the injection site 10 times.

Now after sleeping and waking up I feel like I've been hit in the quad with a blunt object. Walking is also slightly painful.

It was the second injection from the same vial, first one was also a bit painful but not like that. So far no redness, no fever, but it's been only 12 hours.

Their label says 2.2% Benzyl Alcohol, 25% Benzyl Benzoate and 33% Ethyl Oleate. I've read EO may cause PIP. Is 33% a rather moderate or high concentration?

I wonder if this is sterile muscle pain or an infection.

 

[Bigboy727]

That’s not that much EO. Keep trucking if it’s not infected.

 

[GIVEitUP]

What constration of gear is it I had some test e 500
Swell my whole leg up for a week glutes same way switch to test e 300 and don't have any more problems

 

[GIVEitUP]

My bad I total missed the title it says to 250mg

 

[NFRCR]

What constration of gear is it I had some test e 500
Swell my whole leg up for a week glutes same way switch to test e 300 and don't have any more problems

Just 250 mg/mL, so not high-concentration gear.

 

[Morefyah]

Sounds like garbage!
Test e shouldn’t give you any pip at 250mg.

 

[Test_Subject]

Test E should be smoother than smooth at 250mg/ml. I'm not sure why anyone would add 1/3 EO to that brew.

It could be a reaction to the EO. Have you used it before?

Are you sure that your technique is good? Moving the needle around a lot can contribute to PIP.

 

[Sk8man101]

Do you warm your liquid and what size needles do you pin with?

 

[Oncewild]

Just a side note, personal experience, my quads kill even with pharma cyp if I inject anywhere in lower 1/2, even close to it. I get little to no pip, even with larger volume, if I stay in the upper 1/3 the muscle. Still get a little with higher concentrate e ester of mast and primo I am finding, but not like the dead leg I’ve had with simple test lower on the muscle. When you look at diagrams for quad injections it gives a pretty long area, so when I first started TRT I tried to spread out to prevent scar tissue in a concentrated area—but rapidly concluded I wasn’t going to have to worry scar tissue in that lower area and it would feel like my old lady hit me with a bat while I was sleeping.

 

[NFRCR]

I have previously mostly used Pharmacom Labs' gear. They claim their products have 5-10% EO. So 33% would be a significant difference.

I usually pin the middle of the quad and more to the side. 23g needle.

At 36h it's way better than at 12h, so it's getting better. But I'd say it's something with this specific gear, didn't have such issues before switching.

 

[SteroidsBro]

Garbage gear, get homebrew

 

[NFRCR]

The PIP went away in 4 days.

I did a test for Testosterone level 4 days post injection - 1ml - 250mg. It came back at 840 ng/dL.

Well fuck this, it's underdosed. I was hoping Dragon Pharma is decent since the tests at AnabolicLab have been fine.

 

[Maktub]

4 days post injection thats around 96 hours after, that too much..
35-45 hours post injection is a better window to see real numbers.

 

[ickyrica]

Their label says 2.2% Benzyl Alcohol, 25% Benzyl Benzoate and 33% Ethyl Oleate.

this is a garbage brewer if these numbers are accurate.

Should be 1% BA and maybe 10%BB at the most. Add carrier. Done.

 

[NFRCR]

No. This is too low. 250mg of decent gear puts me at 1800-2000 ng/dL after 3-4 days and 800-900 ng/dL after 7 days.

Current gear will result in low'ish natty levels by end of the week before next injection. This is at probably dosed 100-150 mg/mL.

 

[Naugahyde]

The PIP went away in 4 days.

I did a test for Testosterone level 4 days post injection - 1ml - 250mg. It came back at 840 ng/dL.

Well fuck this, it's underdosed. I was hoping Dragon Pharma is decent since the tests at AnabolicLab have been fine.

Been a few guys complaining about Dragon recently - lots of sources have it here in the UK but it's got a bit of a sketchy rep.

 

[Redrum42]

4 days post injection thats around 96 hours after, that too much..
35-45 hours post injection is a better window to see real numbers.

Agree

DP test C I believe has the same recipe and has never caused PIP here that was out of the ordinary. Slight cases for first 1 or 2 after a long break but that seems normal. Where did you inject, how deep, what gauge, what is your experience with AAS, did you do just one shot of 250??

As far as I know it has good reviews on anaboliclab as far as dosage. Distributors often post analysis on it too but those aren't impartial, of course.

Also, I find testing 4 days in is a little soon. I want to know levels when they build up to an even plateau after mutiple injections. I thought generally it was custom to go 2-4 weeks to get tested for T levels, not days. Anybody else test so soon? Basically the peak of test E I believe is around 36 hours. So you either waited too long, or not long enough. Again, unless I'm wrong, wait till you have even blood levels

 

[boost creep]

I get Pharma test cyp for prescribed trt and every once in a while I get a painful shot, even some swelling just give it some time.

 

[NFRCR]

I have 3 years of experience. Needle was 23g. How deep - fully in. I injected in the center and a bit towards the outer side of the quad.

I am doing weekly injections, it's just cruising as I'm not really training right now.

I was using another brand prior to switching and the levels were good. After switching to DP and doing 2 injections I did a new blood test and levels were disappointing. There was no gap between the switch, I did not let my T tank. I always test 3-4 days after an injection. I know it won't get me the highest peak. If at 96h it's 800 ng/dL, then at 48h it is 1000 ng/dL at best.

The source was carrying the DP that is being produced inside EU. So perhaps their EU lab is not so good.

 

[NFRCR]

Ah well, surprise surprise. I visited another board and they are discussing recent Dragon Pharma EU batches being underdosed.

Yeah, why would Dragon Pharma suddenly become a good brand? Two years ago they had problems all the time. I believe the source EuroKing carried DP a lot and was under a lot of heat due to that.

Great. I wonder if I should even use these and dose-compensate. The PIP was unusual, so I am not convinced there is not anything else wrong with these.