E2 @ 92 on 175mg Test Cyp /wk (25mg ED)

[Elektrobot]

Well fak

I just got partial results from my most recent bloodwork- standard E2 and CBC.

Still waiting on sensitive estradiol, testosterone panel, dht, and igf

My standard estradiol test shows 92 Natty number last month was 26

Started using test 34 days ago for the first time ever

I am using 175mg/wk pinned 25mg every day

It's a mix of Primals Cyp 200 GSO, and Primals Cyp 50 MCT. 0.1ml of each

My natty test was 630. I calculated this dose on steroid plotter to put me right at 1,000

Only noticeable symptom is looking bloated in midsection.

I'm not ready to add more anabolics to control E2

And I'd prefer not to be on an AI long term

Feeling kinda dismal that even this low dose is more than my E2 conversion can tolerate. And wonder what that means for my future in this hobby of PED's.

I've spent a lot of time preparing to start test and eventually move on to cycles. Got my bodyfat down to ab veins. Did several preliminary rounds of bloodwork. Really tried to do it right.

Do I need to get an AI shipped asap?

Should I just dial it back and / or skip shots / stop?

I'll post my test panel when it comes back.

 

[AIRBORNE DADDY]

Weird if ur lean. Genetics plays part too...I'm old and chubby... always gonna be near 30% body fat. I take 1mg of arimidex twice a week when I pin even on 200mg of test cyp. I would take 1mg when you get it and half when you pin twice a week and retest e2.... that's just me but some guys aromatise alot and some don't. Some will say 93 isn't terrible if you feel good but sounds like you don't. I never thought ai as an issue.... for perspective my wife takes .5mg daily post breast cancer so 3.5 a week but that's for complete estrogen blockage. Can't see 1mg a week hurting you but retest and adjust.

 

[TRTBro]

I would dial it back if you are worried about it being too high and don't want to take AI.

How do you feel though? I have low body fat and am a high converter for E2 as well, just have to find where your levels are good and where you feel the best at the same time.

 

[BigDadd7]

Sounds like you're an unlucky aromatizer. If you dont want to add some eq, you're only options are AI or lower dose

 

[bananafeet]

I get similar numbers. Even after losing weight. On the positive side you will get great igf1 numbers on low HGH probably.

Just run an ai when blasting and just take like 100-125mg as your trt dose

 

[Elektrobot]

How do you feel though?

I feel fine, I can just tell I'm holding a lot of water. I am also taking 3iu of GH every day. No edema. Stiff ankles. Bloated midsection.

Blood pressure is not affected

If you dont want to add some eq

My hope was to milk my beginner trt results for as much as I can before increasing or adding anything. Looks like eq will be part of my future planning.

Just run an ai when blasting and just take like 100-125mg as your trt dose

According to steroid potter, 125 just puts me at what my natty number was

 

[TRTBro]

I feel fine, I can just tell I'm holding a lot of water. I am also taking 3iu of GH every day. No edema. Stiff ankles. Bloated midsection.

Blood pressure is not affected



My hope was to milk my beginner trt results for as much as I can before increasing or adding anything. Looks like eq will be part of my future planning.


According to steroid potter, 125 just puts me at what my natty number was

Sounds like you need to dial it back slightly. Try 150mg/week and see if that helps with the bloat while keeping your E2 in range.

150mg/week is still a proper dose for TRT and results if diet and gym are consistent.

 

[BeardedGuy]

140mg/wk gets you 20/day… not a bad dose. And with your aromatization, you’ll still get good IGF from the GH

 

[BigDadd7]

Welcome to the wonderful world of trt. Think about how smart you were for joining here and learning so much. So many new guys just start pinning whatever with no idea what the risks and consequences are.

 

[AIRBORNE DADDY]

I wouldn't add eq for trt.... it may not aramotize much where mast doesn't at all. I don't consider either able to control already existing e2 conversion from test, just if you added them to a cycle you don't have to worry about them raising it further. If u think arimidex is too aggressive there's milder ai's....

 

[sionnach]

If bloating is your only symptom (which could be the gh, too), I'd probably give it a few more days to see if the Ultra E2 comes in. Standard isn't as accurate. If it does come back high as well, I'd drop to 140-150mg and 2iu, maybe even change up your dosing frequency for a few weeks and get more labs.
I understand the reluctance to use AI, I'm the same way. But infrequent low dose isn't the end of the world as long as you stay on top of labs.
Or, try adding some primo or EQ. Some people swear by it, just remember not everyone has the same experience.

 

[Elektrobot]

Welcome to the wonderful world of trt. Think about how smart you were for joining here and learning so much. So many new guys just start pinning whatever with no idea what the risks and consequences are.

I'm very thankful for everything I have been able to learn here, and for having a community I can come to with questions like this.

 

[RockyP]

You're not using DHEA and / or HCG correct?

 

[TRTBro]

If its your first time taking testosterone I would not mess around with Primo/EQ until you figure out how much Test you can handle alone.

Its clearly not working and adding another compound in will make things harder to understand - you can listen to others if you want for that but I'd strongly suggest waiting til you figure out where you feel good on just Test.

Your injection frequency is fine too, you don't need to change that either. Injecting less often will most likely cause greater peaks for E2.

 

[bananafeet]

You know aromasin/exemestane is just a steroid lol

Why do people ball themselves into knots over AIs but then shoot up massive amounts of drostanalone.

I'd say 25mg of exemestane is safer than 200mg or more of primo or mast needed to make the body more androgenic vs estrogenic....

 

[RockyP]

You know aromasin/exemestane is just a steroid lol

Why do people ball themselves into knots over AIs but then shoot up massive amounts of drostanalone.

I'd say 25mg of exemestane is safer than 200mg or more of primo or mast needed to make the body more androgenic vs estrogenic....

I think the point is moreso that he needs to find a dosage of test that he can handle without AI or primo / EQ. No reason to take any of those things with a test dosage under 200 IMO.

Not that it's terribly relevant, BUT, in a recent pod Chris Tuttle said that he drops that big bastard Jordan Hutchinson all the way down to 150 test per week post show and holds him there for 6 - 8 weeks until he starts to look soft, but he doesn't lose size. Just food for thought that if a super heavy open BBer can TRT on 150, we can too.

 

[bananafeet]

I think the point is moreso that he needs to find a dosage of test that he can handle without AI or primo / EQ. No reason to take any of those things with a test dosage under 200 IMO.

I agree you should just lower the dose instead of taking an AI. But AI + test is probably safer than a synthetic androgen

 

[RockyP]

I agree you should just lower the dose instead of taking an AI. But AI + test is probably safer than a synthetic androgen

As long as you don't tank your estrogen and your lipids are ok, I'd tend to agree. Primo usually crashes HDL. EQ is a funny one. If your HCT doesn't shoot up and you dont get the anxiety, I would argue in favor of EQ vs an AI, but for a cycle, not HRT. That's what's unique here. Once the OP dials in his HRT dosage, which might end up being as low as 100 / week (nothing wrong with that at all), he may end up running cycles of 400 test / 400 primo or 400 test / 300 EQ or something like that. Meaning he can reap the benefits of supraphysiological test on cycle with something like EQ / primo, but his true HRT dosage without any external E2 control will just be lower than most. I know a few guys like this whose actual TRT is 100 - 125 / week and then run blasts between 750 - 1000 mg, they look great and they are not small.

 

[Elektrobot]

You're not using DHEA and / or HCG correct?

Correct, test cyp and hgh only

 

[newguy2]

Steroid plotter test numbers are nonsense. They just give an idea. They should honestly be ignored. The plotter is good for ester saturation times but not meant to be used to guess test numbers.

There's a good chance that TRT dose is going to put you out of range. Not a big deal to disk back a bit.

My clinic started me at 200mg a week. Which equaled 81 e2 and 1500 total test. So I'm a decently high aromotizer but also a good responder to test.