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Enclomiphene instead of HCG during cycle and MK677 for IGF-1

MaxGainz

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Would I even need PCT anymore or just cruise on Enclomiphene MK677 once I'm done with my cycle. Not trying to break the wheel but also, clomid is overrated now that enclomiphene is around. TRT clinics are already using enclomiphene instead of HCG too btw.
 
At supraphysiological dosages the Test might still be stimulating the Testes due to abundance of testosterone.

Will be guinea pig once bodyfat drops below 12%

Might Skip HCG and see if testes shrink.
 
Yea I have been sharing those videos as well, I was on HCG, HMG and clomid. Currently now on clomid until I get back on a cycle, I often tell people I would skip HCG and just do clomid it’s a lot easier.
 
MrHowie said:
Yea I have been sharing those videos as well, I was on HCG, HMG and clomid. Currently now on clomid until I get back on a cycle, I often tell people I would skip HCG and just do clomid it’s a lot easier.
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how high is your testosterone while on clomid only?
 
MaxGainz said:
At supraphysiological dosages the Test might still be stimulating the Testes due to abundance of testosterone.

Will be guinea pig once bodyfat drops below 12%

Might Skip HCG and see if testes shrink.
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done this myself, i tried using enclo andy raloxafine (i know tamoxafin is a better option, i used raloxafine for gyno) on 600mg test/week and i still got shrinkage
 
When you were first starting out your training, what sort of program did you follow, if any? Did you always train just by what felt right as far as reps/weight/intensity? Have you ever done dinosaur training or anything unconventional i.e. beyond barbells and dumbells?
 
My new theoretical program will involve straight test with mucuna pruiens and fadogia agrestis.

Mucuna inhibits prolactin. Prolactin is what inhibits LH and FSH secretion and fodagia boosts LH production.

Will likely be taking Ashwaganda and Yohimbe and Tongkat Ali and what not too.
 
Mucuna and fadogia won't do anything for you. Prolactin is not the primary inhibitor of FSH/LH release, testosterone is and if you're using these while taking exogenous testosterone they are essentially useless. There is no way that these herbals, which lack human trials will provide the desired effect you are talking about and work better than pharmaceuticals that have extensive literature supporting their effects on the HPTA axis.

If you're worried about shrinkage and fertility there really is no more effective option than HCG while on cycle. It's relatively cheap and while it can increase estrogen, using it at a biweekly dose to preserve testicular function is extremely unlikely to cause estrogen spikes resulting in gyno. Not to mention it doesn't come with liver or kidney toxicity which many of the herbals you say you'll be taking are associated with. So I guess I'm wondering why you're even bothering to do this self-experiment. HCG is cheaper, safer, and more effective than taking those herbs.
 
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