Drex
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What is your opinion about this?
And as for the actual issue of stimulating endogenous testosterone, I'm very much in favor of that instead of regular TRT. Because? Well, simple, you do not suppress the hormonal axis for life, you will be more fertile (whoever may be interested), you will have more levels of testosterone naturally in the upper part of the range and when you stop taking them you will maintain what you have gained for many years. And what I base it on is my personal experience with the use of SERMS such as tamoxifen and clomid and studies on the subject.
Nowadays, endocrinologists are already beginning to prescribe therapies with clomiphene citrate instead of TRT for those patients who do not want to be tied to injections for life.
Also note that with low doses of testosterone you can also recover and/or increase the production of endogenous testosterone, as for example Testogel is usually used (to avoid those testosterone peaks from injectables that are more difficult to control parameters and doses) or dosage very low in injectables and obviously with following up on analyzes by the endocrinologist. And if it sounds strange, like with an exogenous substance, instead of suppressing the axis, you can stimulate it, since it works by generating a “deception system” in the signaling of the hypothalamus with the pituitary gland and making the body believe that it needs more testosterone, because it always depends on a time that comes in from outside to deal with a supposed deficiency of this and at such low doses there would not even be testicular atrophy but on the contrary these should work better. For the record, for this route I would choose a well-prepared endocrinologist, I did the test with a useless endocrinologist and he was of little use.
There are endocrinologists who prescribe clomiphene from months to 2 years maximum and then rest according to analysis.
In my personal experience, I have made some treatments with HCG and tamoxifen for a time determinated with clomid and tamoxifen. It would be like a classic PCT which in isolation for geting good testo values at the upper limit of the range. In my case, I was with high levels of testosterone for few months and went down very little by little until reaching a medium-high level and which I maintained for many years without take nothing at all. Sometimes I repeat the process for mantenancing the good levels of testosterone.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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And as for the actual issue of stimulating endogenous testosterone, I'm very much in favor of that instead of regular TRT. Because? Well, simple, you do not suppress the hormonal axis for life, you will be more fertile (whoever may be interested), you will have more levels of testosterone naturally in the upper part of the range and when you stop taking them you will maintain what you have gained for many years. And what I base it on is my personal experience with the use of SERMS such as tamoxifen and clomid and studies on the subject.
Nowadays, endocrinologists are already beginning to prescribe therapies with clomiphene citrate instead of TRT for those patients who do not want to be tied to injections for life.
Also note that with low doses of testosterone you can also recover and/or increase the production of endogenous testosterone, as for example Testogel is usually used (to avoid those testosterone peaks from injectables that are more difficult to control parameters and doses) or dosage very low in injectables and obviously with following up on analyzes by the endocrinologist. And if it sounds strange, like with an exogenous substance, instead of suppressing the axis, you can stimulate it, since it works by generating a “deception system” in the signaling of the hypothalamus with the pituitary gland and making the body believe that it needs more testosterone, because it always depends on a time that comes in from outside to deal with a supposed deficiency of this and at such low doses there would not even be testicular atrophy but on the contrary these should work better. For the record, for this route I would choose a well-prepared endocrinologist, I did the test with a useless endocrinologist and he was of little use.
There are endocrinologists who prescribe clomiphene from months to 2 years maximum and then rest according to analysis.
In my personal experience, I have made some treatments with HCG and tamoxifen for a time determinated with clomid and tamoxifen. It would be like a classic PCT which in isolation for geting good testo values at the upper limit of the range. In my case, I was with high levels of testosterone for few months and went down very little by little until reaching a medium-high level and which I maintained for many years without take nothing at all. Sometimes I repeat the process for mantenancing the good levels of testosterone.
Clomiphene citrate effects on testosterone/estrogen ratio in male hypogonadism - PubMed
Low dose clomiphene citrate is effective in elevating serum testosterone levels and improving the testosterone/estradiol ratio in men with hypogonadism. This therapy represents an alternative to testosterone therapy by stimulating the endogenous androgen production pathway.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Testosterone versus clomiphene citrate in managing symptoms of hypogonadism in men - PMC
Both clomiphene citrate (CC) and testosterone supplementation therapy (TST) are effective treatments for men with hypogonadism. We sought to compare changes in symptoms and treatment efficacy in hypogonadal men before and after receiving CC and TST. ...
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