Exploring and Mapping CONSCIOUSNESS...

[BBC3]

It occurs to me that even to attempt to define this concept as nutshell is going to be difficult. However, terms like "back to REALITY" are defined by WHAT one's CONSCIOUSNESS IS...

When you start to look, you can readily wonder if each person's consciousness is the same. How they view the world, their inner self, their view of other's inner selfs, and how different facets relate as to what vectors they/we perceive to travel on. Is there indeed a "GROUP CONSCIOUSNESS POOL from which we ALL SHARE..? Or are we all separate unique consciousnesses which are in touch with each other on some level? Is there a "spiritual Max" which one REALM can handle..? Is there a limit of released "dead souls" which don't properly dispatch off which a world can handle? Is there a given number of bodies which only one spiritual conglomerate can be allocated to? and prior to a "Dilution of Spirit" occurring in individuals?

The Term "UnConscious" DOES NOT mean to SLEEP... One point would be at what time are we really rendered UNCONSCIOUS..? Truly unconscious. It kinda scares the shit out of me that current anesthesia technology encompasses a MEMORY AGENT. Really... And what kind of physical, psychological, and spiritual traumas do we incur which are NOT properly mitigated by our brains; and how to correct this, if not steer in the right direction in the first place. It would occur to me to truly be rendered "unconscious" would apply only to a human body's possession of consciousness (A.K.A Dead...!), and that a CONSCIOUSNESS must maintain a presence SOMEWHERE as ALWAYS.

It would appear that the greatest minds in the world have attempted and struggled to even start to qualify "consciousness"...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness

When you consider that a persons consciousness may very well define their REASON for success or failure, what makes one GOOD or EVIL, Regulates how a person's psychological filter is formed, and how a person even interprets new data - It is significant. Consciousness borders on and may very well be comprised of the ever elusive "spirit molecule" that those jackasses down in that ring in the ground may blow up the universe with.

While I am not even certain if exploring consciousness is not dangerous for one to do, and as a PANDORA's BOX/JACOB'S LADDER sorta COMBO, I may not follow thru with this one. I am not saying my experimental method is unsafe either. I am referring more to the RISK of getting so far down the train to feed the Dopamine Dragon, that i actually map out the entire RABBIT HOLE and MORE... What I am finding at this time is that there are LAYERS. These layers are comprised of one doorway leading unto another doorway. Up, Down, Sideways, Inside & out. Conscious also seems to potentially INVOLVE WITH DIMENSIONS. As I have chased a path of gateways so far at times only to wind up back at the starting point. Some of these paths intersecting with alternative paths I may have taken on different occasions. But I also see masters answering to Masters all affected by Sevants at the same time. What got my attention the most though, being when I stumbled onto another dimension of thought/consciousness which opened up another level which was more encompassing than the last. Meaning like nuclear half-lives, a path followed is not necessarily refining, declining, or limited. I can only describe the dimensional component of consciousness as opening a door to a room which you though you saw and qualified all 4 walls, ceiling, and floors from the out side, and then stepped in to find a football stadium of activity. Kinda exactly like "The Tardis" on Doctor Who - LOL. All at the same time now becoming aware that there are endless dimensions which are "smaller" than this one, as well as bigger. So consciousness appears to me to be BOTH Relative and Not Relative depending.

But the one thing I can tell you for sure at this time, Is that NOTHING IS AS IT SEEMS and REALITY is definitely to be questioned. Functionally, an understanding of consciousness may very well be the key to answering questions such as; "How did I get here?", "How did this happen?", "Why is this happening to me?", and "WHAT Is This LIFE ALL ABOUT..?" So I have begun and its extremely difficult to document the flight, but I am going to try..

** Again I make the point where as Einstein described that NOTHING can go faster than "the speed of light", and I refer you to the fact that there are frequencies HIGHER than VISIBLE LIGHT. So which light was he talking about..? Was he also the ultimate scammer..? Cause the "light speed" I am talking about traveling on is NOT visible to OUR EYES and resonates on a frequency that passes right though solid objects. You have to be so many feet underground to be safe from gamma rays of an amplitude which we are aware of, or have a certain thickness of lead atop. And these are just the frequencies at powers which we are aware of. To understand that while Low frequency audible deep bass type sounds(Frequencies) CARRY FURTHER due to the fact that they just bounce off of things resonating at similar or less frequency(at least at a minimum) / Is also to understand that high frequencies can pass right through lower density mass (objects). Low frequency sound is interacting as physically disruptive/involving as a "Push and Shove" in practice, and High frequency being INTERACTIVE as a "thru&Thru/Inside Out" actualization. Is there a principle stating the higher frequency has dominance as KEY..? Or do both have equally valuable properties just different (consciousness)..? And there are probably certain frequencies that gel in various ways with interacting resonating objects which act as a magic seeming illogical gateway (I would imagine). But Resonance, or Lack of, should have a "logical mass" in gateway manipulation I figure.. And back on Einstein for a moment. I don't think that "travel" has a damn thing to do with SPEED, but more like "dimensional manipulation via dimensional MODULATION". The failure is that while we can somewhat "see" dimensions "Below us", there appears to be a block on dimensions "above us", as for some reason Logical Extrapolation eludes us as FACT. And possibly as we see these lower dimensions ONLY because we falsely perceive them as "Lesser". But don't we feel good about ourselves..! LOL. The word PARADIGM actually somewhat involves DIMENSIONS. But finally we must consider that in discussion of TIME, SPACE, MASS, & ENERGY - Keep in mind its these four principles that QUALIFY concepts like VOLUME (measurement, MATTER (description), VALUE (Relativity)..! But today's logic proposes that we measure our lives and this universe in factors of time/ as pertaining to spanning distance (movement & Travel). And WHY is ACTIVITY not qualified by TIME and not ACTION.? Because the Duration of Action is always unknown when a person is involved. So instead of asking someone "what TIME IT IS (note the word ordering"it is" and how that actually works in the English language) ", we could just as easily ask them "what DISTANCE IS IT..? The conglomerate being What is the Duration and put like that the answer is usually 'I am not sure"... You may exclaim that this would not work as others don't KNOW where you are going to GO. But if you think about it, what RELATIVE Value does TIME have if you don't KNOW WHERE you are going for sure?!? So how much further is it anyway.. What time is it.. How much LONGER... ARE WE THERE YET!!!!!!!!

Enough, and later for now...

 

[BBC3]

As a second post in this thread about CONSCIOUSNESS, other threads ongoing around here currently came to mind and prompted this VECTOR of THOUGHT. There is a thread going right now titled something like "Can Jim be Trusted Now". It kinda got me thinking... My first thoughts were, well if we have to ask NOW, then we HAD to ask Before. because HOW to you trust someone yesterday, and then not trust them today.??! Then you can see the SAFE FLIP-SIDE is when you stumble upon something you NEVER knew about that is a good thing PROVEN (or seemingly sold/received as), then are you EVER really safe now DECIDING that you are placing this SOURCE in "The Safe Box"??!!! Really. Because last time I checked, the only ones you can really trust are yourself, and YOUR Blood/family..! There is a Bob Dylan Tune about "The Friend" that is your good friend, yet seems to cause ill will indirectly/unintentionally/ Harmlessly?. But none the less they keep doing it, but your paradigm REFUSES TO ACKNOWLEDGE this negative occurrence and ONLY Because you have already CLASSIFIED them as "A Friendly"... ("Choose your friends wisely right??") So WHY..... WHY.... Can't we correct our course..???! STILL - Can while you can trust your Family to keep you from physical harm minimally and surely when the chips fall, can we REALLY EVEN TRUST OURSELVES...!! So its all about the psychological construct OUR CONSCIOUS LEARNED FILTER.. The "filter" is the WAY which WE LEARN to interpret and classify data. Its is a critical point in life which we LEARN thus dictated by TIME vs. EXPERIENCE.. The Ladder CRUCIAL in the progression. The proverbial "Wrong Left Turn @ Aberqurque"...! THEREFORE, this concept MUST be what it is that DEFINES societies interpretation of "Winners and Losers"..! And why some seem to excel in comparison to others. Is the life of a tribal clansman in the woods really WORSE than the life of a successful entrepreneur in the Mansion REALLY BETTER. What comes along with all this "wealth".?? Does the one important thing in life which is LOVE, True Love, tend to Elude MONEY and is it an INDIRECT OPPOSING Relation? And when you consider that once you reach a social level of HAVING what others THINK they covet, they HOW could anyone you then cross paths with EVER be non-bias about their TRUE INTENT for you. How could you EVEN Know who is who..!!! Its like the twilight zone a single professional "millionaire" must live in the PURGATORY that THEY will NEVER Truly know - WHO.... IS WHO...! So if you were than Millionaire, really, the ONLY WAY you would ever know who is legitimate would be ONLY via the acquaintances which you had PRIOR to becoming that millionaire.! And from that LIFE INTERSECTION FORWARD / you would be "lost"..

BACK ON TRACK...

The more accurate THREAD TITLE for that one should be - "Could Jim Ever have been/be trusted...?"..! I then think of the DISCLAIMER which I placed upon my Signature for my entity here at MESO (BBC3), and then you can clearly see where I disclaim that you should not "Trust Me". Now, of course we can get totally philosophical and then say OH BBC, You are just trying to "Double-Reverse Psyche" us into believing you are the gospel, and thru the trickery that you FALSELY PRESENT to say you are harmless when THAT is a ploy to gain you credibility. But Lets not go that far for now - OK?? And the ONLY TRUTH BEING that The Closest Relation which we stand an iota of chance trusting - IS OURSELVES. And apparently even this is dangerous business if we were not afforded the luxury of the proper mentoring to LEARN how to successfully navigate THIS CONSCIOUS LIFE..!

So lets assume for a moment that we have been properly reared and trained to operate successfully in this life. The most logical way to interpret all the NOIZE which bombards us on a daily basis, is to TREAT JIM/EVERYONE/EVERYTHING/ME, as "Paid Advertising". We then DECIDE what we will subscribe to in the manner which OUR FILTER OPERATES with what is now OUR FAITH which GOVERNS OUR WORLDS...! Consider that a FUNCTION of "Advertising" is the CONCEPT - Publicity Stunt...! Finally trickling down to Fact, Twisting, Distortion, and even Potentially DECEIT. These are all functions of the attempt to gain MARKET SHARE of TARGET CONSTRUCT or "Which Dance is on the floor"... We must not forget the homage = NO PUBLICITY IS BAD PUBLICITY. This is an OPEN ADMISSION OF TORQUING as DECEIT-for-GAIN/ and even getting away with it in an "In Yur Face Manner" - yet we ALLOW IT..!!???!!! Finally we hope that we have a realistic personal accounting system which we accurately DEFINE WHAT we can AFFORD to "Entertain". Else our TIME, OUR EXISTENCE, starts to become ineffective and we fail at the task of succeeding in "our worlds." So you now see that WE indeed ALL have our own worlds which we must abide by and that they are INDEPENDENT of Other's Worlds, yet the MUST intertwine in order to avoid "Imperial Entanglement", if not even lucky enough to SUCCEED..!

Some of the Challenges which I want to tackle in this thread about CONSCIOUSNESS is..:

1) HOW do we even first QUALIFY if we are acting in an unwise/unprofitable manner?

2) WHO/WHAT do we TRUST once beyond the "rearing phase" to help determine this, and further to advise us of potential corrections? A "Life Coach" perhaps? Do you recall the old "I made more money from my one bedroom apartment" infomercial, and to call "Don LePre's Advisers to run your thoughts for successful ideas by his panel of experts to better guide you". And "HE" was offering all this for ONE LOW PRICE.. L...... O...... L...... And How many of us quickly realized that this scam was all about not only getting you to pay this ENTITY MONEY for a FAKE PRODUCT - A FACADE (that's "Fassad"). But you were REALLY PAYING HIM TO GIVE HIM YOUR IDEAS FOR HIM TO RUN WITH AND MAKE HIM MORE $$ THAN YOU ALREADY PAID HIM - And Just to get scammed... Not only is this one of the sickest forms of open fraud to even grace this world, it was a pyramid scheme in true action as its MODE OF ADVERTISING OPERAND-US..! And no one ever the wiser...!

3) So WHO then would EVEN place YOUR INTEREST Above Their's...!?

4) How do we BREAK OUT of our paradigm when IT IS ALL WE KNOW...!??

5) Are we DOOMED and FOREVER LIMITED by OUR FATHERS as They Trained us? As they Chose our mode of formal Schooling? As they saw fit to have their offspring trustingly raised?!?

These things, My Friends, and the Seeds of all that is in life. This is what "consciousness" is all about. Truthfully, this information if fruited successfully as delivered and CONVEYED in a manner of PUBLIC DELIVERANCE would threaten the powers that ARE. If it could actually be DONE. If fear the REALITY of This inquiry is that EVEN while those who view and/or participate attempt and even seem to acknowledge and RETAIN. What the true inevitability is, is that YOUR (and MY) CURRENT CONSCIOUS FILTERS would ultimately OVERRIDE the End REVELATION and IRONICALLY Dismiss to NOT OUR Consciousness and ultimately disregard as quickly and any epiphany might potentially take place...

So I will say it another way. How do you/we then KEEP THIS FROM HAPPENING - AGAIN. How many times has it happened BEFORE. A "butterfly effect" inverted almost it seems...

 

[BBC3]

Almost forgot the whole REASON for the second post. I am finding it interesting to realize that the IRONY of the INTERNET FORUM being that it appears to be the TRUEST VIEW of CONSCIOUSNESS we can afford to one another and short of being able to gleam each other souls telepathically. This is because..:

1) There are no physical distractions. No face to see. No shoes to detect. No Demeanor to distract.

2) It is THOUGHT CONSTRUCT ALONE. Shedding light to the interesting POWER of the EMOTICON.

3) Ironically, it is not only the purest form of consciousness. But it is DOCUMENTED in TIME AND SPACE From it's initial delivery - which then not only "Solidifies it" like fast dry cement kinda sorta. But you now also have the power to REVIEW IT FOREVER. (Did you ever check to see if text was later changed by powers other than YOU who wrote it??) I have not seen that happen HERE...

4) The real difference and relating to the #3 above is that you have a LUXURY of TIME to Entertain these constructs AT YOUR DISCRETION and HOW YOU DECIDE. As opposed to a live person in your face MANIPULATING your MIND with "hand is quicker than eye" as you Struggle to keep up.. Thus NO MAGIC TRICKS ALLOWED...!

5) You can ONLY see the True ME. Because the ME which my TEXT Presents, is ALL That I am/ TO YOU. Nothing else and no "lines between". The irony that "lines between" can not exist in WRITTEN TEXT... And simply because you can REVIEW, STEP BACK, and FURTHER INQUIRE.. The magician can not "leave the building"...!

So The "Digital World" now seeming to have chinks in its armor as "Infinite", and affording what seems to be a luxury never had before... If properly managed...

 

[BBC3]

I am getting ready to take a break and deal with MY real life needing more attention. So my challenge will be to RECALL where I was when I return. I can only offer food for feast if it fits the taste of those at the table. It is never considered an offense to pass the plate when after all / only an "Offerage"...

So long for now..

 

[BBC3]

HOLY SHIT !!!!!!!!!! HOLY SHIT !!!!!!!! HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mark TIME 1201AM CST... There was a "test of the Emergency..

Never mind see new thread....

 

[pumpingiron22]

We are all plugged in whether we know it or not. Good and bad of this plain or not. Ever get a thought you know thats was not yours. Ever get an idea from nowhere thats because it was already thought from some one who did not utilize it. Just my 2€

 

[flenser]

The only way to measure human consciousness is through human action. Anyone interested in the "science" of human action could do much worse than to begin with "Human Action" by Ludwig von Mises. Buy the book or get free online here.

 

[flenser]

I am finding it interesting to realize that the IRONY of the INTERNET FORUM being that it appears to be the TRUEST VIEW of CONSCIOUSNESS we can afford to one another and short of being able to gleam each other souls telepathically.

I would say just the opposite. Online we create images of who we want to be. Many characteristics eventually show through, but generally the false image remains. We do not risk our true selves the way we do in real life, even if it feels like we do. How we behave in the real world is EXACTLY how we really are. Even when we adjust our actions to maintain an image, the sum of the reasons for our behavior expose the things we truly value.

 

[BBC3]

I get you but my point too is same. Consider now then that what we are enabling is AN ENTIRE DIFFERENT SET OF CONSCIOUSNESSES POTENTIALLY. The "internet" ones, and the Real Life ones... So does "spiritual presence" on earth now effectively change, increase, dilute, morph, and even become more empowering to one or the other, but the same as the real person generating it...!!? And then HOW to now know - WHAT IS REAL, and WHAT IS NOT...! I could see a day where cyberspace becomes a hostile environment and a potential "Hazzard Zone" with REAL Penalty for Entry as "OFF LIMITS". That is depending on how things go with Humanity and EARTH with regard to "Cyber-space"... But is this proof of CAN IT EVEN BE CONTROLLED???! Is it a force of its own which we are now having to deal with no matter what...! And how fucking powerful will it become...! As the potential for "NOTHING TO BE REAL ANY MORE" now truly exists... Or so it may seem in certain POTENTIAL Light...!

And YES - A pandora's box I have opened for myself indeed. And the only thing that can Resolve or BALANCE this pain I now carry OUT - Is EMOTION... Time to take a xanax and FUCK for a while....! I can already see that I am going to be forced to turn all this off soon... And referring to my thoughts about things...! And my real job is coming up again real soon...! This will do the trick for sure. Never thought I would be looking forward to WORK.. LOL

I would say just the opposite. Online we create images of who we want to be. Many characteristics eventually show through, but generally the false image remains. We do not risk our true selves the way we do in real life, even if it feels like we do. How we behave in the real world is EXACTLY how we really are. Even when we adjust our actions to maintain an image, the sum of the reasons for our behavior expose the things we truly value.

 

[flenser]

I agree you can get different useful information from watching human activities on forums (market research, for example), but not an entire different set of consciousness.

Humans are and always will be individuals. The sum of the parts is NEVER less than the whole.

However, you might conclude the individual combined with internet resources becomes more than the individual, and I might agree. Those arguably greater combinations could then cooperate and be called different consciousnesses, but the individual and whatever consciousness it possesses remains.

 

[BBC3]

Thank you humbly kind sir for the MOST EXCELLENT LINK. Almost overlooked in my FRENZY...!!! lol

AND WHILE I FORCEFULLY and Ever so PAINFULLY Hold myself OPEN and OBJECTIVE. I THINK we are interpreting differently. Perhaps the difference is that I am proposing "Spiritual Consciousness" as opposed to the HUMAN (Earthly Animal) CONSCIENCE. I would propose that we only slightly experience "Consciousness" as opposed to "Perceived Ownership" of our own...

Hopefully I can FURTHER SEE your point, and better expound on MINE. Thus equals PROGRESS...!

The only way to measure human consciousness is through human action. Anyone interested in the "science" of human action could do much worse than to begin with "Human Action" by Ludwig von Mises. Buy the book or get free online here.

 

[flenser]

Perhaps the difference is that I am proposing "Spiritual Consciousness" as opposed to the HUMAN (Earthly Animal) CONSCIENCE.

Are you really sure there’s a difference? Consider that you posted your interest in mapping consciousness on a forum, looking for responses, actions, from other forum members. Why is that? If consciousness had no connection with the physical world, what further enlightenment did you expect to receive or deliver through physical communication?

 

[BBC3]

NO, I am NOT sure. Which you are CORRECT is WHY I posted as a QUESTION. You are correct and if you have interpreted in ANY way that I am preaching as gospel, I apologize as I may have accidentally sucked you in to the Drama Machine which I sometimes abuse to make points..

THANK YOU for this response..!!!

ONE REASON that I replied to you as "NO" all large and bolded was to address (point out) your earlier reply to another question I posed. You made a point which did not go unnoticed...! I am referring to the question I asked about digital presentations possibly appealing to "Consciousness" on MULTIPLE LEVELS at once, and in different ways than classic ANALOG Transmissions. You replied "NO" in VERY SMALL FONT.. I am not 100% sure that I received your point. Consider you may not be 100% WHY you delivered as such. I will now paint a rebuttal to that reply at this time...

- I would now ARGUE to disagree with your assessment. This is why. When you consider that our older ANALOG delivery of information in this CONSCIOUS REALM for PEOPLE already delivers communications to multiple audiences at once in many ways as follows..:

1. Everyone has their own psychological filter. How messages are interpreted by each person varies ONLY based on THEM. The target. So the MORE DIVERSIFIED as transmitted "public message" is, the MORE folks will have a RELATION. So the WAY and DETAILS of the "Delivery" determine HOW MANY folks will get a certain message, HOW they will received it, and HOW MANY WAYS they will receive it. In fact, many times "messages" that are delivered in "public arenas", are in fact truly intended for a very PRIVATE and LIMITED audience. The rest of the folks perceive "Dressings" on the message as "eye candy and entertainment for the soul" as less efficient truths. (and another point I am making about the POTENTIAL of this new DIGITAL WORLD...!)

2. More on target. We ALREADY have been using ANALOG Message delivery AS ONE PRESENTED Message, which are truly telling MORE that ONE TALE. Consider the classic notion of "Subliminal messages" as LAYERED WITHIN ONE TIME..! So within ONE SINGLE MOMENT (It APPEARS as "one moment"), a simple FLASH of a completely different context to the BRAIN via EYES, is communicating not truly to all this additional CONSTRUCT, but a different CONSTRUCT WITHIN the first primary PRESENTED Message and
camouflaged / BOTH of these messages BOTH having DIFFERENT MEANINGS to ALL in "Viewing or listening RANGE". And we are ALSO discussing the TERM "contrast" at this point. Because it would appear that EFFECTIVENESS or what science refers to as "Efficacy" (I love this word), is really about how efficient a particular VECTOR hits its target.! So it turns out that it may actually be so, that the larger the VARIANCE in TOPIC, the MORE of an IMPACT it has - and simply due to the nature of the DIFFERENT now creating "STRIKING RESOUNDMENT", and Precisely due to the DEGREE of VARIATION or DIFFERENCE...! And that EVEN when you HIDE THINGS, and perhaps more so when you hide things, does this apply...

** PROOF - So therefore, EVEN with a classic analog transmission, we have been delivering multiple messages within on TIME, but disguised(another topic)...

*** SIDE NOTE - I have often pondered the difference in the words "efficiency" AND "Efficacy". In fact, I was so ignorant when I began this journey here, that I did not notice the spelling, and then wondered what the hell Scally was typing and was he even "Typo-ing"!!.. L.... O.... L.... But at this moment I had a small gleam as to the truth of this matter...>

-EFFICIENCY appears to pertain to the OVERALL OUTCOME...
-EFFICACY appears to pertain more to the MODE to get there(smaller "TIME WINDOW" considered and again we see TIME in the Continuum revealed)...!
(I am sure there is more to it than that, but I leave the word alone for now...)

*** Mode is BOLDED because it is a GRAND concept which I am endeavoring still...

3. Note that TIME becomes an important facet of MESSAGE TRANSMISSION within "Consciousness".. Because my initial inquiry about this concept really pertained to TIME and NOT the phenomenon of whether or not DIGITAL Presentations can potentially SPEAK on more than one VECTOR and to MORE than one audience/ at once....! The evidence would indicate that in fact BOTH Analog and Digital Delivery BOTH do this. Therefore, DIGITAL may be far more efficient, as we are not working in a MORE, LESS LIMITED Construct, which is affording more efficient use of time. And especially as the technology is more understood in use...

- THIS MAKES TIME it appear that TIME may be indeed MASTER to CONSCIOUS (possibly not "ConsciousNESS"), as TIME MANIPULATION is employed to CONTROL and somewhat even MODULATE different CONSCIOUS-ness-ez / at ONCE...!


I am forgetting something but it will come...

Are you really sure there’s a difference? Consider that you posted your interest in mapping consciousness on a forum, looking for responses, actions, from other forum members. Why is that? If consciousness had no connection with the physical world, what further enlightenment did you expect to receive or deliver through physical communication?

 

[BBC3]

Consciousness is of course connected to the physical world, understood and agreed.

I am referring to the point that IT IS MASTER and EMPLOYED HERE, as well as other places... I least I suspect it appears...

At the same TIME, the POINT you make is the POINT which I am intending to DELIVER..! While I presented this notion at an "internet forum", it is an ATTEMPT to prove that the "internet forum", may very well be a NEW VECTOR for humans to TRANSCEND to HIGHER LEVELS OF CONSCIOUSNESS. And via the PRINCIPLE of TRUTH...!

And this is in fact because there is PROTECTION in ANONYMITY. So therefore PEOPLE are more likely to LEARN HOW to employ their own connection with consciousness. You can disprove this by WHAT.?! I am reading you mind at this time. Yes now LIES, Deceit, manipulation become MORE Available. But so does at the same time CLARITY. This is one that only experience may be required to determine as not predictable/ "Columbus territory" so to speak. That is - WILL NOW GREATER TRUTH SURPASS, or SUCCUMB to GREATER LIE...? And you say, well we have always been able to "Lie" via fooling the senses, what is real, what it not. As I have said before as presented as a case argument for the "Smoking gun in court". Well Yur HONOR and Great Jury, I present to you this EVIDENCE (KEY WORD)..:
- Mr. Doe has a history of hostility against said... (Rebut is prove it BETTER)
- Mr. Doe was seen arguing with him last week.. (Rebut is so don't mean he killed him)
- Mr. Doe was heard saying precisely he would.. (Rebut, did you see him)
- Mr. Doe was said to be seen by unknown witness. (Rebut, he was at home typing at MESO)
- Mr. Doe was not, are there any witnesses..? (Rebut, no but we see his post here THEN)
- Mr. Doe could have been typing from anywhere, or even having someone else type for him!!. (REBUT, no, we have his internet IP on line at the forum with his Cable IP at his house correlating)
- Mr. Doe must have gave his PW to unknown accomplice, and keys to his house. (REBUT - Does Not matter, he could have been in his car in his driveway)
- Mr. Doe now has witness says they saw him walk in at this time. (REBUT - did he go out back door?!)
-Mr. Doe NOW found Surveillance footage of himself sitting at desk typing. (rebutt -can you see his face??)
- Mr. Doe's face is visible/ yes (Rebut - is video timestampe/ authentic?)
- Mr. Doe's video appears to be. He even recites the words he Wrote. (REbut - did you see the screen and his fingers working together?)

- So how do we know the video is not of "Forgery in TIME", the login and data entry not performed by another somewhere else, and that he was not off indeed committing this crime?!? (rebut - did you hear a thing we said, did you see a thing we showed you, have you seen the "Documentation" we presented..?!!!)

POINTS - We KNOW what WE a TRAINED TO KNOW.
- We SEE what we are trained to SEE.
- Via "training", we learn to SEE, only what we are TOLD we are SEEING.
- We ONLY BELIEVE this conscious matrix
- PROOF - WHEN is WHEN Really ENOUGH???!!!


Back on track. I did NOT pose a question to PEOPLE on an internet FORUM. I DID pose a question to these Conscious Entities as PRESENTED here...!

They are NOT THE SAME. Most likely, they NEVER can be. With TIME, they will learn this, and most certainly be DIFFERENT in their action ALWAYS. ( I/ME would have never gained the knowledge or learned HOW TO BEHAVE in this effective learning manner if NOT FOR INTERNET FORUMS..!) People will ALSO now profit by this paradigm shift which is AFFORDED only by these keys to this new car or "SpaceSHiP". Their then REAL WORLD ANALOG LIVES, will also change, as mine has... Some will not. The Parody may prove to be that those which use "false Conscious" on the internet to DECEIVE OTHERS are therefore SELF-LIMITING, and thus NEGATING any possibility for CONSCIOUS GROWTH - As the very act of deception to EFFECT an ANALOG Pre-existing Principle therefore limits them to that paradigm...!

We can go back and forth further expounding. This is LEARNING. Also, a subject should be picked at some point to due this with (A lighter subject) as an experiment to see just HOW FAR IT GOES, and IF IT SHOULD PROVE TO WIND UP IN CIRCLE. As I have a sneaking suspicion that just as life seems to work in cycles, the duration relative to the subject, you really have to wonder is the PRIMARY function of ETERNITY, the concept of CYCLES. And is ETERNITY or INFINITE the proof of, as the biggest circle of subject possible. And of course, there can be no "Biggest" as a FACET of the concept INFINITE and ETERNITY, only the biggest which we can COMPREHEND. The CYCLE EVER GROWING same as the UNIVERSE... The proof of the fact that there are no borders to TIME and SPACE being that IT ANYTHING GROWS, there is no limit ANY - WHERE. Else nothing could grow. Shrink this action down to ANY SMALLER experimental scale and it proves TRUE. So why should that change on the "high side".? HOW COULD IT? It CANT..!

On Target, I am suggesting that "CONSCIOUSNESS is BOUNDLESS". It does become limited to the APPLICATION However. The application is the MATTER which is CONSIDERED. So how GRAND is the Scope of HUMANITY with consideration of the freggin UNIVERSE and the infinite TIME/SPACE.?? The MATTER, Earth, Humans, Animals - Our DROP IN THE OCEAN is just what it is. A DROP IN THE OCEAN. So how could it even be possible we hold any more stock in "Consciousness" that we could possible Merit.? We are so short sighted and EVEN WHEN YOU TELL US SOMETHING AND TAKE A PICTURE, - we can not see beyond what we understand. This is a limitation of US and NOT Consciousness. Riddle me this... How is it that some issues you could tell to some people a 1000000 different ways, and they still dont get it. And I am not talking about your POINT. But Concrete like 0110111100010110. They you involve "Intelligence", which is truly as COMPARISON OF PEERS in LIGHT as pertaining to EXPERIENCE, and nothing more. So I am admitting that MY POINT may not be right, because it may not "Apply". I am admitting that IQ is relative functionality. More Importantly, I even have the audacity to attempt to debunk PHILOSOPHY, as not only am I AGREEING that PARADIGM as a function of PRINCIPLES is the VALIDATION of different PERSPECTIVE (as philosophy), and but am saying that this in fact DISCREDITS the validity of the study of Philosophy, and these DIFFERENCES DO NOT EXIST. So the TERM "Philosophy" is valid, but only due to MISNOMER. Because to argue that something is NOT what is MAY be, is in IMPOTENT CIRCLE. While the POTENCY of it APPEARS TO BE The proof of ITSELF. AKA - It IS, therefore, IT IS NOT...!

** Its like building a button for a bomb to blow up The Last BUTTON FACTORY...! (now go a burn a fatty to that notion...! LOL !!

Are you really sure there’s a difference? Consider that you posted your interest in mapping consciousness on a forum, looking for responses, actions, from other forum members. Why is that? If consciousness had no connection with the physical world, what further enlightenment did you expect to receive or deliver through physical communication?

 

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NO, I am NOT sure. Which you are CORRECT is WHY I posted as a QUESTION. You are correct and if you have interpreted in ANY way that I am preaching as gospel, I apologize as I may have accidentally sucked you in to the Drama Machine which I sometimes abuse to make points..

THANK YOU for this response..!!!

ONE REASON that I replied to you as "NO" all large and bolded was to address (point out) your earlier reply to another question I posed. You made a point which did not go unnoticed...! I am referring to the question I asked about digital presentations possibly appealing to "Consciousness" on MULTIPLE LEVELS at once, and in different ways than classic ANALOG Transmissions. You replied "NO" in VERY SMALL FONT.. I am not 100% sure that I received your point. Consider you may not be 100% WHY you delivered as such. I will now paint a rebuttal to that reply at this time...

- I would now ARGUE to disagree with your assessment. This is why. When you consider that our older ANALOG delivery of information in this CONSCIOUS REALM for PEOPLE already delivers communications to multiple audiences at once in many ways as follows..:

1. Everyone has their own psychological filter. How messages are interpreted by each person varies ONLY based on THEM. The target. So the MORE DIVERSIFIED as transmitted "public message" is, the MORE folks will have a RELATION. So the WAY and DETAILS of the "Delivery" determine HOW MANY folks will get a certain message, HOW they will received it, and HOW MANY WAYS they will receive it. In fact, many times "messages" that are delivered in "public arenas", are in fact truly intended for a very PRIVATE and LIMITED audience. The rest of the folks perceive "Dressings" on the message as "eye candy and entertainment for the soul" as less efficient truths. (and another point I am making about the POTENTIAL of this new DIGITAL WORLD...!)

2. More on target. We ALREADY have been using ANALOG Message delivery AS ONE PRESENTED Message, which are truly telling MORE that ONE TALE. Consider the classic notion of "Subliminal messages" as LAYERED WITHIN ONE TIME..! So within ONE SINGLE MOMENT (It APPEARS as "one moment"), a simple FLASH of a completely different context to the BRAIN via EYES, is communicating not truly to all this additional CONSTRUCT, but a different CONSTRUCT WITHIN the first primary PRESENTED Message and
camouflaged / BOTH of these messages BOTH having DIFFERENT MEANINGS to ALL in "Viewing or listening RANGE". And we are ALSO discussing the TERM "contrast" at this point. Because it would appear that EFFECTIVENESS or what science refers to as "Efficacy" (I love this word), is really about how efficient a particular VECTOR hits its target.! So it turns out that it may actually be so, that the larger the VARIANCE in TOPIC, the MORE of an IMPACT it has - and simply due to the nature of the DIFFERENT now creating "STRIKING RESOUNDMENT", and Precisely due to the DEGREE of VARIATION or DIFFERENCE...! And that EVEN when you HIDE THINGS, and perhaps more so when you hide things, does this apply...

** PROOF - So therefore, EVEN with a classic analog transmission, we have been delivering multiple messages within on TIME, but disguised(another topic)...

*** SIDE NOTE - I have often pondered the difference in the words "efficiency" AND "Efficacy". In fact, I was so ignorant when I began this journey here, that I did not notice the spelling, and then wondered what the hell Scally was typing and was he even "Typo-ing"!!.. L.... O.... L.... But at this moment I had a small gleam as to the truth of this matter...>

-EFFICIENCY appears to pertain to the OVERALL OUTCOME...
-EFFICACY appears to pertain more to the MODE to get there(smaller "TIME WINDOW" considered and again we see TIME in the Continuum revealed)...!
(I am sure there is more to it than that, but I leave the word alone for now...)

*** Mode is BOLDED because it is a GRAND concept which I am endeavoring still...

3. Note that TIME becomes an important facet of MESSAGE TRANSMISSION within "Consciousness".. Because my initial inquiry about this concept really pertained to TIME and NOT the phenomenon of whether or not DIGITAL Presentations can potentially SPEAK on more than one VECTOR and to MORE than one audience/ at once....! The evidence would indicate that in fact BOTH Analog and Digital Delivery BOTH do this. Therefore, DIGITAL may be far more efficient, as we are not working in a MORE, LESS LIMITED Construct, which is affording more efficient use of time. And especially as the technology is more understood in use...

- THIS MAKES TIME it appear that TIME may be indeed MASTER to CONSCIOUS (possibly not "ConsciousNESS"), as TIME MANIPULATION is employed to CONTROL and somewhat even MODULATE different CONSCIOUS-ness-ez / at ONCE...!


I am forgetting something but it will come...

I don't think I misinterpreted your intent. My response wasn't meant to be argumentative in any traditional way, especially not w.r.t. (angry) forums. Just passing the time, so to speak..

I have looked, but I can’t find where I responded to the idea of having, “digital presentations possibly appealing to "Consciousness" on MULTIPLE LEVELS at once, and in different ways than classic ANALOG Transmissions”. I agree, in general, with your points in 1. It may be that your.. unconventional use of terms like frequency, analog and digital confused me.

I would disagree with part of 2 (that increasing variance increases impact) just from personal observance, that the media drives home very specific very simple points, over and over again. This is extremely effective, if not efficient, and has proven to convince people to take sides against their own interests. And when I say people, I am referring to the majority, the only thing that matters in marketing and government. Individuals, some individuals, will respond in unpredictable ways.

If in 2 you meant the same message delivered a million different ways is more effective than the same message delivered a million times, I do agree. Delivering it a million times does work, though, as many advertisers have discovered.

Note that analog message delivery hasn’t been one presented message since the early days of the telegraph. Modulation was (re)discovered by Laplace who lived in Napoleon’s time. But I agree the means of message delivery now are considerably more diverse and complex.

With respect to 3, I can say that time exists within the PHYSICAL universe. It is entirely dependent on the observer. Past, present and future can be “simultaneously” different depending on the states of different observers. Not sure I could explain it anymore having not opened a modern physics text in at least 2 decades. In any case, if consciousness is dependent on time, it is also dependent on its physical state.

Your comment on consciousness possibly not being dependent on time is interesting. Makes me think of quantum physics and Schrodinger's cat, or more like a whole herd of cats in a box (the brain) thinking slightly different thoughts all at the same exact time.

 

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Consciousness is of course connected to the physical world, understood and agreed.

I am referring to the point that IT IS MASTER and EMPLOYED HERE, as well as other places... I least I suspect it appears...

At the same TIME, the POINT you make is the POINT which I am intending to DELIVER..! While I presented this notion at an "internet forum", it is an ATTEMPT to prove that the "internet forum", may very well be a NEW VECTOR for humans to TRANSCEND to HIGHER LEVELS OF CONSCIOUSNESS. And via the PRINCIPLE of TRUTH...!

And this is in fact because there is PROTECTION in ANONYMITY. So therefore PEOPLE are more likely to LEARN HOW to employ their own connection with consciousness. You can disprove this by WHAT.?! I am reading you mind at this time. Yes now LIES, Deceit, manipulation become MORE Available. But so does at the same time CLARITY. This is one that only experience may be required to determine as not predictable/ "Columbus territory" so to speak. That is - WILL NOW GREATER TRUTH SURPASS, or SUCCUMB to GREATER LIE...? And you say, well we have always been able to "Lie" via fooling the senses, what is real, what it not. As I have said before as presented as a case argument for the "Smoking gun in court". Well Yur HONOR and Great Jury, I present to you this EVIDENCE (KEY WORD)..:
- Mr. Doe has a history of hostility against said... (Rebut is prove it BETTER)
- Mr. Doe was seen arguing with him last week.. (Rebut is so don't mean he killed him)
- Mr. Doe was heard saying precisely he would.. (Rebut, did you see him)
- Mr. Doe was said to be seen by unknown witness. (Rebut, he was at home typing at MESO)
- Mr. Doe was not, are there any witnesses..? (Rebut, no but we see his post here THEN)
- Mr. Doe could have been typing from anywhere, or even having someone else type for him!!. (REBUT, no, we have his internet IP on line at the forum with his Cable IP at his house correlating)
- Mr. Doe must have gave his PW to unknown accomplice, and keys to his house. (REBUT - Does Not matter, he could have been in his car in his driveway)
- Mr. Doe now has witness says they saw him walk in at this time. (REBUT - did he go out back door?!)
-Mr. Doe NOW found Surveillance footage of himself sitting at desk typing. (rebutt -can you see his face??)
- Mr. Doe's face is visible/ yes (Rebut - is video timestampe/ authentic?)
- Mr. Doe's video appears to be. He even recites the words he Wrote. (REbut - did you see the screen and his fingers working together?)

- So how do we know the video is not of "Forgery in TIME", the login and data entry not performed by another somewhere else, and that he was not off indeed committing this crime?!? (rebut - did you hear a thing we said, did you see a thing we showed you, have you seen the "Documentation" we presented..?!!!)

POINTS - We KNOW what WE a TRAINED TO KNOW.
- We SEE what we are trained to SEE.
- Via "training", we learn to SEE, only what we are TOLD we are SEEING.
- We ONLY BELIEVE this conscious matrix
- PROOF - WHEN is WHEN Really ENOUGH???!!!


Back on track. I did NOT pose a question to PEOPLE on an internet FORUM. I DID pose a question to these Conscious Entities as PRESENTED here...!

They are NOT THE SAME. Most likely, they NEVER can be. With TIME, they will learn this, and most certainly be DIFFERENT in their action ALWAYS. ( I/ME would have never gained the knowledge or learned HOW TO BEHAVE in this effective learning manner if NOT FOR INTERNET FORUMS..!) People will ALSO now profit by this paradigm shift which is AFFORDED only by these keys to this new car or "SpaceSHiP". Their then REAL WORLD ANALOG LIVES, will also change, as mine has... Some will not. The Parody may prove to be that those which use "false Conscious" on the internet to DECEIVE OTHERS are therefore SELF-LIMITING, and thus NEGATING any possibility for CONSCIOUS GROWTH - As the very act of deception to EFFECT an ANALOG Pre-existing Principle therefore limits them to that paradigm...!

We can go back and forth further expounding. This is LEARNING. Also, a subject should be picked at some point to due this with (A lighter subject) as an experiment to see just HOW FAR IT GOES, and IF IT SHOULD PROVE TO WIND UP IN CIRCLE. As I have a sneaking suspicion that just as life seems to work in cycles, the duration relative to the subject, you really have to wonder is the PRIMARY function of ETERNITY, the concept of CYCLES. And is ETERNITY or INFINITE the proof of, as the biggest circle of subject possible. And of course, there can be no "Biggest" as a FACET of the concept INFINITE and ETERNITY, only the biggest which we can COMPREHEND. The CYCLE EVER GROWING same as the UNIVERSE... The proof of the fact that there are no borders to TIME and SPACE being that IT ANYTHING GROWS, there is no limit ANY - WHERE. Else nothing could grow. Shrink this action down to ANY SMALLER experimental scale and it proves TRUE. So why should that change on the "high side".? HOW COULD IT? It CANT..!

On Target, I am suggesting that "CONSCIOUSNESS is BOUNDLESS". It does become limited to the APPLICATION However. The application is the MATTER which is CONSIDERED. So how GRAND is the Scope of HUMANITY with consideration of the freggin UNIVERSE and the infinite TIME/SPACE.?? The MATTER, Earth, Humans, Animals - Our DROP IN THE OCEAN is just what it is. A DROP IN THE OCEAN. So how could it even be possible we hold any more stock in "Consciousness" that we could possible Merit.? We are so short sighted and EVEN WHEN YOU TELL US SOMETHING AND TAKE A PICTURE, - we can not see beyond what we understand. This is a limitation of US and NOT Consciousness. Riddle me this... How is it that some issues you could tell to some people a 1000000 different ways, and they still dont get it. And I am not talking about your POINT. But Concrete like 0110111100010110. They you involve "Intelligence", which is truly as COMPARISON OF PEERS in LIGHT as pertaining to EXPERIENCE, and nothing more. So I am admitting that MY POINT may not be right, because it may not "Apply". I am admitting that IQ is relative functionality. More Importantly, I even have the audacity to attempt to debunk PHILOSOPHY, as not only am I AGREEING that PARADIGM as a function of PRINCIPLES is the VALIDATION of different PERSPECTIVE (as philosophy), and but am saying that this in fact DISCREDITS the validity of the study of Philosophy, and these DIFFERENCES DO NOT EXIST. So the TERM "Philosophy" is valid, but only due to MISNOMER. Because to argue that something is NOT what is MAY be, is in IMPOTENT CIRCLE. While the POTENCY of it APPEARS TO BE The proof of ITSELF. AKA - It IS, therefore, IT IS NOT...!

** Its like building a button for a bomb to blow up The Last BUTTON FACTORY...! (now go a burn a fatty to that notion...! LOL !!

I agree with much of this as well - though Mr. Doe completely lost me!

To address your riddle, I would say information, not experience makes consciousness boundless. The ability to think rationally is learned IMO. The brain is good at pattern matching, not following a string of connected thoughts to a logical conclusion.

 

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So the TERM "Philosophy" is valid, but only due to MISNOMER. Because to argue that something is NOT what is MAY be, is in IMPOTENT CIRCLE. While the POTENCY of it APPEARS TO BE The proof of ITSELF. AKA - It IS, therefore, IT IS NOT...!

Id est ergo non est.

No Descartes for you, BBC!

 

[BBC3]

Nice reply I appreciate your attention. I see you are indeed strong with the force...!
Still we are apart in concepts presented though. Please allow. and I dont disagree with your points as interpreted and answers same MOSTLY thanks for elaborating (I can see you really could be someone interesting..!

You don't really understand the GRAVITY of "digital" as I am advising I THINK it is... Consider FIRE. OK you are correct and I realized today in conversation otherwise that this would be the only true analog. Still analog exists on different SCOPE SCALES up RELATIVE TO US of course.

1. SO take the lightbulb. Now FIRE is arced across two wires in an inert environment to preserve the sticks. The DIGITAL was the electricity in the lines ONLY.
2. Now take a florescent flickering 4' bulb. Digital went all the way to transformer in housing.
3. Halogen. Not sure but somewhere past that.
4. Current bulbs. Now digital technology in bulb.

WHATS noteworthy is that the bulbs are now capable of much higher frequency modulation and actualization. Which is bringing me to my expounding on the real alien invasion well under way which has caused all known aliens to join forces with us. Hence NWO. Our time is nearing end is something is not done, hence term CATACLYSM... Consider now this "ET" is of another dimension. Greys, Retiles, Whites, etc. ARE ALSO ANALOG. Not Recognize the GRAVITY of what is occurring RIGHT BEFORE OUR EYES... LIterally...!!

On the digital, I was saying now MORE OTHER MESSAGES ON OTHER FREQUENCIES CAN BE SECRETLY INTERLACED...!! As opposed to analog subliminal messages...

I like what you are saying on TIME and perspective. but there becomes a leveling of the playing field relative to our puny human construct. So we lack the depth to understand. I did that is. I have a secret... LOL

I don't think I misinterpreted your intent. My response wasn't meant to be argumentative in any traditional way, especially not w.r.t. (angry) forums. Just passing the time, so to speak..

I have looked, but I can’t find where I responded to the idea of having, “digital presentations possibly appealing to "Consciousness" on MULTIPLE LEVELS at once, and in different ways than classic ANALOG Transmissions”. I agree, in general, with your points in 1. It may be that your.. unconventional use of terms like frequency, analog and digital confused me.

I would disagree with part of 2 (that increasing variance increases impact) just from personal observance, that the media drives home very specific very simple points, over and over again. This is extremely effective, if not efficient, and has proven to convince people to take sides against their own interests. And when I say people, I am referring to the majority, the only thing that matters in marketing and government. Individuals, some individuals, will respond in unpredictable ways.

If in 2 you meant the same message delivered a million different ways is more effective than the same message delivered a million times, I do agree. Delivering it a million times does work, though, as many advertisers have discovered.

Note that analog message delivery hasn’t been one presented message since the early days of the telegraph. Modulation was (re)discovered by Laplace who lived in Napoleon’s time. But I agree the means of message delivery now are considerably more diverse and complex.

With respect to 3, I can say that time exists within the PHYSICAL universe. It is entirely dependent on the observer. Past, present and future can be “simultaneously” different depending on the states of different observers. Not sure I could explain it anymore having not opened a modern physics text in at least 2 decades. In any case, if consciousness is dependent on time, it is also dependent on its physical state.

Your comment on consciousness possibly not being dependent on time is interesting. Makes me think of quantum physics and Schrodinger's cat, or more like a whole herd of cats in a box (the brain) thinking slightly different thoughts all at the same exact time.

 

[BBC3]

Not sure where you are here. I assume you like? Dont understand the reference really I DONT.. I will research thanks though... So you found my limit. I am on savant power now.... Divine and all Im serious...

Id est ergo non est.

No Descartes for you, BBC!

 

[flenser]

Nice reply I appreciate your attention. I see you are indeed strong with the force...!
Still we are apart in concepts presented though. Please allow. and I dont disagree with your points as interpreted and answers same MOSTLY thanks for elaborating (I can see you really could be someone interesting..!

You don't really understand the GRAVITY of "digital" as I am advising I THINK it is... Consider FIRE. OK you are correct and I realized today in conversation otherwise that this would be the only true analog. Still analog exists on different SCOPE SCALES up RELATIVE TO US of course.

1. SO take the lightbulb. Now FIRE is arced across two wires in an inert environment to preserve the sticks. The DIGITAL was the electricity in the lines ONLY.
2. Now take a florescent flickering 4' bulb. Digital went all the way to transformer in housing.
3. Halogen. Not sure but somewhere past that.
4. Current bulbs. Now digital technology in bulb.

WHATS noteworthy is that the bulbs are now capable of much higher frequency modulation and actualization. Which is bringing me to my expounding on the real alien invasion well under way which has caused all known aliens to join forces with us. Hence NWO. Our time is nearing end is something is not done, hence term CATACLYSM... Consider now this "ET" is of another dimension. Greys, Retiles, Whites, etc. ARE ALSO ANALOG. Not Recognize the GRAVITY of what is occurring RIGHT BEFORE OUR EYES... LIterally...!!

On the digital, I was saying now MORE OTHER MESSAGES ON OTHER FREQUENCIES CAN BE SECRETLY INTERLACED...!! As opposed to analog subliminal messages...

I like what you are saying on TIME and perspective. but there becomes a leveling of the playing field relative to our puny human construct. So we lack the depth to understand. I did that is. I have a secret... LOL

You have me completely boggled with your reply. Your use of the term digital eludes me totally. I’m an engineer with multiple degrees, one of them in electrical engineering. I DO know how these devices work, and your descriptions are inaccurate. The terms you use have a specific meaning to me, while you are obviously using them in a different way, nearly (and might as well be) a different language. Let me explain what I was thinking when I read your post. It might give some insight into how confusing using these terms differently can be.

There is no fire in a working light bulb. There is a filament, a wire, that glows with an excess of electrons. If it were to actually catch fire, you would need to change the bulb. The electricity in the lines is (for an AC bulb) analog as well, fluctuating in a sine wave at 50Hz or 60Hz depending on your country. That is done for transmission of power from your power station. The resistance in the lines, the same thing that makes the light filament glow, results in lower voltage at the ends of the lines than at the transmission point, so it is passed through transformers periodically to boost the voltage back to the desired level.

Florescent lights are just tubes of mercury vapor with some phosphor coating on the inside of the glass. A current passed through the mercury vapor resulting in a UV light that strikes the phosphor coating and makes it glow. If you are referring to the ballast as “the digital”, it is simply a current regulator. Mercury has an unusual property in that resistance falls as current flows, so you need the regulator to keep the light intensity constant. On the other side of that ballast there is virtually no control over the light, just off and on at very low rates.

A halogen light is identical a regular (incandescent) light other than for some different materials used to protect the filament. These materials allow it to “burn” longer and brighter. They aslo tend to make it turn on and off more slowly.

Current bulbs, I assume you mean LED lights, are ANALOG lights. Diodes have been around since the early 50’s. They require a specific DC voltage to work properly, so the ones you buy for your house have regulators as part of the construct.

The LEDs themselves do switch on and off at much higher rates which would allow higher switching frequencies, but that assumes the regulators are more than just regulators. I have disassembled a few of those suckers looking for better/cheaper off-road bike lights. If there is anything but a regulator in there, it is disguised as an epoxy circuit board. More to the point, the wiring and (lack of) shielding were not of the sort that would support high frequency transmissions.

I don’t believe in visiting aliens. I believe in the destructive power of long term radiation exposure, unavoidable in space. Nothing smaller than, say, the moon could make the journey with live specimens, and we would have noticed a second moon. I am, of course, speaking of aliens stupid enough to take an interest in humans and their pathetic wars and politics.

But were there aliens here, and if they wanted to interlace subliminal messages, they would have to choose digital not because it can contain more messages, but because humans have chosen to digitize their devices. Digital devices are vastly easier to manipulate to do what you want, but the underlying ANALOG circuitry that compose the switches dwarf the raw ability of the logic that controls their function.