fasted training

[Deleted member 123722]

How detrimental is fasted training, if at all? Recently, I've done a few days where I went to the gym completely fasted and noticed literally no difference in my performance. I usually wake up, have my coffee, inject my GH, and then have my preWO meal, typically 1-2 hrs prior getting to the gym. But is it not the case that the carbs that I will be used during my workout be the carbs I had eaten the night prior?

I know some will argue the amino acids should be available to prevent muscle loss, but don't you think that this kind of idea that our body just withers away the second we don't get protein in, is probably greatly exaggerated?

My cutting cycle is test/primo/tren and 3ius GH ed.

 

[Rido]

Below is just my thoughts.

I think Carb intake from night before would play a larger role because it's already processed and stored.

This is assuming there are no fast acting carbs and insulin in play.

I think muscle loss without protein 24/7 Is over exaggerated. Atleast with anabolics it is.

Some people perform better with food, some it doesn't matter. I think I would focus more on overall intake and performance.

I personal prefer food prior to most lifting. Maybe around 20g of protein in there. I had a 1/2 PBJ sandwich this morning and a shake

 

[Mac11wildcat]

If your goal is growth/performance and can at all avoid fasted training, you should. Take 5m to down a shake and something calorie dense like a muffin or something and super easy to include Intra nutrients via supps/juice/Gatorade.

Fasted training isn't detrimental, just not as good. Switching to fasted for the purpose of cutting is kind of silly IMO as we should be aiming to do things that prevent loss of muscle (training with adequate nutrients) but anywhere outside of being lean probably isn't a major issue on that front, especially with gear

If you can enjoy it and adhere to it, go for it. But i don't think all other things held equal that it's anywhere near optimal

 

[Ksin1986]

I get up slam pre workout and take my eaa in my water to the gym. They are available as I start drinking. I enjoy fasted training more as I feel less bloated and I don't want blood going to my stomach. I am on cruise started 4 iu GH, 200 primo 200 test. Seems to work really well for me. For legs I train later in the day and take cream of rice 1.5 hours prior to lifting. Still dying from Saturdays triple Bulgarian drop set of death.

 

[David44]

I made the best progress on 16/8 fasting and always trained on a fasted stomach (went to the gym after 14 hours fasting and trained 2 hours to reach my 16 hours fast) and had the best pumps /muscle mind connection ever.


I think fasting is the best way to build muscle and burn fat the same time even for naturals , the best physiques I ever met in real life were always people who do 16/8 or 18/6 fasting.

Only time fasted training would be risky is if you’re running tren.

 

[petefox]

I prefer to train fasted, just feel better and less weighed-down when I lift. Not having food never interfered with my energy or strength, been training fasted since I was in my late 30s.

That said, it's totally not for everyone and I'd say try it for at least 2 weeks and see how you feel. Bail on it after week one if you feel like a dogshit smoothie.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

If your goal is growth/performance and can at all avoid fasted training, you should. Take 5m to down a shake and something calorie dense like a muffin or something and super easy to include Intra nutrients via supps/juice/Gatorade.

Fasted training isn't detrimental, just not as good. Switching to fasted for the purpose of cutting is kind of silly IMO as we should be aiming to do things that prevent loss of muscle (training with adequate nutrients) but anywhere outside of being lean probably isn't a major issue on that front, especially with gear

If you can enjoy it and adhere to it, go for it. But i don't think all other things held equal that it's anywhere near optimal

Would you think that having your last meal at night heavy carbs to be 'loaded' for the next morning, then go to the gym fasted, but sipping on an intra-workout with protein/carbs would be adequate to reduce any loss?

As for performance, what I have noticed is my compounds lifts have gone to shit already, but my isolations are the same weights. So that to me indicates I've lost no tissue, just energy is too low to push as hard when I was at maintenance.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Would you think that having your last meal at night heavy carbs to be 'loaded' for the next morning, then go to the gym fasted, but sipping on an intra-workout with protein/carbs would be adequate to reduce any loss?

As for performance, what I have noticed is my compounds lifts have gone to shit already, but my isolations are the same weights. So that to me indicates I've lost no tissue, just energy is too low to push as hard when I was at maintenance.

By the time you wake up you're as fasted as possible; blood sugar is low aside from your body's natural small spike to get you moving. The meal 8hrs prior isn't changing that

I doubt you lose much of anything, with tren in especially, but I don't think training can be AS fruitful when truly fasted. My performance in the gym is far better, objectively, after a few meals. And performance in the gym is IMO the most important factor whether it's growing or trying to get lean. So it isn't really a question of "what do I lose" but "what can I no longer gain" as a result of training fasted.

As with most things it largely depends on the person on how good one option vs another can be. There's no hard rules in this game. Find what you like and can stick to and thatseems to produce results.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

By the time you wake up you're as fasted as possible; blood sugar is low aside from your body's natural small spike to get you moving. The meal 8hrs prior isn't changing that

I doubt you lose much of anything, with tren in especially, but I don't think training can be AS fruitful when truly fasted. My performance in the gym is far better, objectively, after a few meals. And performance in the gym is IMO the most important factor whether it's growing or trying to get lean. So it isn't really a question of "what do I lose" but "what can I no longer gain" as a result of training fasted.

As with most things it largely depends on the person on how good one option vs another can be. There's no hard rules in this game. Find what you like and can stick to and thatseems to produce results.

Well, I'll just keep doing my pre-workout meal then; no reason to risk anything I don't need to risk. Thing is, I train 1-2 two hours after eating, so I wonder if that really makes a difference compared to someone like yourself who has a few meals in them. Granted, my pre-workout meal is simple carbs with protein, so it should be in my system while I'm working out; the meal is literally cinnamon toast crunch, 50g Isopure unflavored, with 1 cup of almond milk, essentially super-low fat so should hit quick.

I like to get my workouts out of the way for the day, so the rest of the food is there to repair what I did—at least that's how I reason it. I could change my time to later in the day with several meals, but I've been doing this for years and has been working just fine.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

I think you're fine and wouldn't sweat it. There's certainly something to be said for enjoying the way you do things. The burden of optimal interring with your day isn't always worth it.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

I usually train fasted I wake up in the morning after 8 hours fasted. Then do cardio. From then for the next 8 hours I will have 2 or 3 coffee. Pre work out I usually drink another coffee or a non sugary energy drink.
Of course performance is not the same but that hasn't stop me from progressing.
Sometimes if I'm tired I would consume 30g protein 50g carbs around 2-3 hours pre workout.

With this way I also stay lean and not bloated who is the most important of all imo.

 

[andyminion500]

After 10 years of 4am training, I can now only train in a fasted state, then again a lot of my workouts are high reps and CrossFit like

 

[CanMando]

I train early mornings, and have experimented with all of the above mentioned methods. I think it is different for everyone; however, for me, caffeine by itself, or a pre and a scoop of protein is my go to.

Try everything out, train differing blocks of time with all of the above and see what works best for you.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

I've noticed no difference really, but I've decided to keep being fed just in case, especially while in a deficit. PreWorkout meal with now is Kodiak protein power cakes mixed with Isopure, along with my morning coffee, then the gym 1.5 hours later.

 

[buck]

I can notice a difference on big body parts but i probably tend to do a little more volume then others. Depending on the body part, amount of weight and number of sets there can be a difference. But i find that is usually more towards the end of my workouts. On arm day i do not notice a thing. As the liver and body in general store about a days worth of carbs. There is always carbs available for training. It is just a matter of getting them out of storage and to the muscle that needs them. Eating prior to training could leave more carbs free floating and more readily available. But if some one trains fasted i am sure the body gets better at dealing with it And from a health point fasted training may be better. As the studies i have with intermittent fasting the added health benifits were when training or being active was done while fasting.

 

[Deleted member 134759]

After 10 years of 4am training, I can now only train in a fasted state, then again a lot of my workouts are high reps and CrossFit like

Your pfp is the result of 10 years of work? Presumably with anabolics too? I would not take your advice.

How detrimental is fasted training, if at all? Recently, I've done a few days where I went to the gym completely fasted and noticed literally no difference in my performance. I usually wake up, have my coffee, inject my GH, and then have my preWO meal, typically 1-2 hrs prior getting to the gym. But is it not the case that the carbs that I will be used during my workout be the carbs I had eaten the night prior?

I know some will argue the amino acids should be available to prevent muscle loss, but don't you think that this kind of idea that our body just withers away the second we don't get protein in, is probably greatly exaggerated?

My cutting cycle is test/primo/tren and 3ius GH ed.

I eat a big meal 2hrs before training, 1200cal, 150g carbs, 30-50g protein. It definitely keeps my stamina up and I lift heavier. Fasted I feel weak, lifting baby weight and I’m exhausted in 20min

 

[Rido]

Your pfp is the result of 10 years of work? Presumably with anabolics too? I would not take your advice.

Thats girl who is planning her first cycle lol

 

[shartking]

I can feel my blood sugar take a shit when I train fasted. I feel weak and flacid.

 

[kidra]

I have trained for several years fasting and from time to time I continue to do so. I can train well, yes, it is true that when I have food for work reasons, I pull harder.

 

[edjohn88]

I’ve used various fasting protocols over the past 15 years and while I’m no expert, I’ve experienced the fat adaptation they talk about. If someone has only trained themselves fed, it makes sense their body is going to freak out when it loses what it relies on.

I think bottom line is the human body can do things very different ways and its capable of adapting completely sometimes to very different conditions. In my experience, after training so long fasted, if i crush a banana and some aminos or whatever, i feel nothing in terms of increased ability. I am an n of one, but it aligns with what a lot of brilliant minds are positing with regards to this adaptation.