Feedback on Cycle and a few questions

[mikem82]

Would appreciate some feedback from any vets/knowledgeable folks here.

Getting back in the AAS game after about a decade off (did 4 of 5 cycles in my 20s). Have been training intensely, naturally for the last year or so. Diet and training and all that good stuff is dialed.

Planning to take some photos after 10 week cycle...for first 6 weeks will concentrate on putting on some clean weight, and then finish with a 4 week cut before the shoot.

Have quite a bit of "help" on hand...here is the current plan and I have a few questions. Certainly open to feedback. Thanks brothers.


Week 1 - 6 Test Enanthate @ 600mg/wk. Started with 1200mg front load yesterday and will be injecting 300mg 2x/wk every Thursday and Monday for next 6 weeks.

Arim .5mg M, W, F through week 9 (3 weeks after last injection) - sound about right or any value in continuing beyond that? I have plenty.

Last test enan injection is planned for Thur, May 26th.

First 2 weeks of the bulk will stack the Test w/ Winny 50mg/day, split dose AM and PM. TUDCA, NAC for liver support (TUDCA 1g/day, split dose. NAC 1200mg/day, split dose.)

Weeks 3 - 6 will do tren 100mg EOD and drop the Winny. Have had elevated liver enzymes in past (nothing major) but would prefer to cycle the orals.

That ends the gain phase.

While test will taper off over the next few weeks, I will begin the cut the Monday of Week 7 (June 30th)

Winny 25mg morning only, TUDCA/NAC for liver support
Albuterol (12 - 16mg/day split over 4 doses) + caff (200mg 3x/day)
T3 @ 50mg/day, morning dose
Ketotifin @ 1mg/day before bed


Questions

1. Have hcg on hand and want to do a 4 week stint during the cycle as per Bill Robert's recommendation (5000 IU spread over 4 - 5 weeks...will prob do 300 - 400 IU 3xs/wk). Thinking of doing this starting the last week of the gain phase (Week 6) and running through week 10 end of cycle. Sound about right or should I start earlier and terminate sooner?

2. Have plenty of clomid on hand. When should I ideally start it for PCT? A week before cessation of winny? Dosage/taper to 50mg/day over how many days? Bill Roberts has recommended 300mg day 1 and then 50 mg/day thereafter, which I've done before with no real problem. How long would you recommend I remain @ 50mg/day? 6 weeks post cycle?

Would love to keep as much mass as possible and plan appropriately.

Appreciate direction on the 2 questions above and any feedback in general.


Thanks for your assistance and the feedback!

M

 

[TheQuest]

 

[Leancuisine]

Why not run test the whole way through, for about 10-12 weeks?
Tren all the way through, or at least from week 2 to your photo shoot. I would take winny the few weeks leading up to your shoot as well.

 

[mikem82]

Why not run test the whole way through, for about 10-12 weeks?
Tren all the way through, or at least from week 2 to your photo shoot. I would take winny the few weeks leading up to your shoot as well.

Thought was the winny will be enough to maintain the mass. Winny is weeks 7 - 10 @ 25mg per day (morning only). I have enough test and tren to run those during the cutting cycle as well, though.

Questions:

1. Would you run those but at a lower dose during the cut?

2. If I were to do that, looking for direction on hcg use...I've never used hcg before. Last time I was doing AAS over a decade ago hcg use wasn't nearly as common. 5000 IU spread out over weeks 6 - 10? Photo shoot will be end of week 10.

3. Start clomid during week 10 as outlined in my previous post?

Thanks very much.

M

 

[Leancuisine]

Thought was the winny will be enough to maintain the mass. Winny is weeks 7 - 10 @ 25mg per day (morning only). I have enough test and tren to run those during the cutting cycle as well, though.

Questions:

1. Would you run those but at a lower dose during the cut?

2. If I were to do that, looking for direction on hcg use...I've never used hcg before. Last time I was doing AAS over a decade ago hcg use wasn't nearly as common. 5000 IU spread out over weeks 6 - 10? Photo shoot will be end of week 10.

3. Start clomid during week 10 as outlined in my previous post?

Thanks very much.

M

My bad man, I'm having a hard time understanding everything.

So winny at beginning and end of cycle?
Winny can cause lots of joint pain and most recommend not to kickstart a cycle for that very reason.
I would do 50mg a day for the final 3-4 weeks of the cycle.

HCG is 250iu shot 3x a week. You can do it towards the end of the cycle if wanted, but I really am not a fan of hcg.

I would not mix alb and caffeine.
50mcg is a moderate dose of t3. Ever taken it before? Most claim best results at 100mcg.

PCT would start a day or so after you Tae your list bit of winny. 300 your first day is fine. Most do 100 a day for the first week, then 50 a day for 2-3 more weeks.
I'm a fan of 100mg for 3 days, then 50mg for the remaining 3 weeks plus 20mg of nolva.

Any reason why you need to stop at the photo shoot? Why not run a nicer structured cycle and not rush that?

 

[mikem82]

My bad man, I'm having a hard time understanding everything.

So winny at beginning and end of cycle?
Winny can cause lots of joint pain and most recommend not to kickstart a cycle for that very reason.
I would do 50mg a day for the final 3-4 weeks of the cycle.

HCG is 250iu shot 3x a week. You can do it towards the end of the cycle if wanted, but I really am not a fan of hcg.

I would not mix alb and caffeine.
50mcg is a moderate dose of t3. Ever taken it before? Most claim best results at 100mcg.

PCT would start a day or so after you Tae your list bit of winny. 300 your first day is fine. Most do 100 a day for the first week, then 50 a day for 2-3 more weeks.
I'm a fan of 100mg for 3 days, then 50mg for the remaining 3 weeks plus 20mg of nolva.

Any reason why you need to stop at the photo shoot? Why not run a nicer structured cycle and not rush that?

Thanks my man for the feedback.

Overall goal is to be in the best shape possible for the photos which are 10 weeks from now, so I'm running against the clock there. I could push the shoot 2 weeks, but honestly I'm going to be as big as I want to be by week 6 then will be all dialing in the abs after that. If it takes a little longer than 4 weeks no prob there. I don't need more than 6 weeks bulking though to be where I want to be at. I've been 252 with abs in my hay day...just looking to get to 220 or so and single digit body fat here. Times have changed since the college days haha.

Have used all compounds here previously with the exception of hcg. Prefer to plan the best I can...seems hcg during a cycle comes highly recommended by a lot of experts and science makes sense to me. Anyway, I have I have it on hand so can't hurt.

Albuterol + caff recommendation comes from bill roberts Albuterol Profile - quote:

Caffeine at about 200 mg about three times per day will considerably improve albuterol’s fat loss effect, and is highly recommended.

I have never had an issue with stimulants...I'm the type of guy who can drink 10 cans of red bull and then take a nap no problem.

As for t3, have had success with it at 50 mcg before and when combined with Albuterol seems best to keep dose moderate. From Bill again:

Both albuterol and thyroid hormone (T3 or T4) are effective fat loss agents, and therefore one might desire to combine them. However because both act to stimulate the heart, DO SO ONLY WITH EXTREME CAUTION AND NEVER WITH HIGH THYROID DOSING.

Not looking to get too crazy here, but might bump to 75 mcg a day and see how things go, at least for a few days, while skipping the albuterol during that time.

I've seen a bunch of protocols where folks taper up and down their T3 dosage...previously I just took same dose every day. Is there any reason to go from 50 to 75 to 100 then back down the ladder?

I have both clomid and nolva. Do you think it's worth combining the two? Just curious as the to science if you can point me in the right direction.

Thanks again!

M

 

[Big_paul]

I think tren cuts better than winstrol if you are using a low dosage of aromatizing aas.

For a short 10 week cycle, I like short esters.

To know the best time to start pct use one of the steroid calculators to determine when your test level is low enough to start.

With prop you know it's around a week. That's why I found it easier to finish with short esters. Most guys start pct too early.