Fill capsules correctly? Which filling material?

[NiMa]

Have I understood that correctly?
I only need RAW powder, Subtract powder, simple capsule machine, capsules and a container.

1. I take half of a capsule, fill it completely with the subtract powder and weigh the whole thing.
The result is eg 0.40 g.
I would like to fill 50 capsules, i.e. 0.40g * 50 = 20g.
So I weigh 20g from my subtract.

2. Now I weigh out 1g of RAW powder (20mg per capsule).

3. Now I take 19g of my subtract powder and 1g of my RAW powder in a container.

4. I mix/shake the whole thing

5. I put the 20g powder in the 50 capsules.

Now I have 50 capsules with 20mg RAW powder each. right?
Which powder subtract would you recommend for Oxa, Exe and MK677? I have vitamin C, erythritol, glutamine, magnesium and so on.

 

[Mr.Capricious]

Have I understood that correctly?
I only need RAW powder, Subtract powder, simple capsule machine, capsules and a container.

1. I take half of a capsule, fill it completely with the subtract powder and weigh the whole thing.
The result is eg 0.40 g.
I would like to fill 50 capsules, i.e. 0.40g * 50 = 20g.
So I weigh 20g from my subtract.

2. Now I weigh out 1g of RAW powder (20mg per capsule).

3. Now I take 19g of my subtract powder and 1g of my RAW powder in a container.

4. I mix/shake the whole thing

5. I put the 20g powder in the 50 capsules.

Now I have 50 capsules with 20mg RAW powder each. right?
Which powder subtract would you recommend for Oxa, Exe and MK677? I have vitamin C, erythritol, glutamine, magnesium and so on.

Sounds like you have figured it out, personally I like to use the method of geometric dilution in a mortar and pestle, and use a filler with closest mass and grain size as the active compound; protein powder even works.

 

[NiMa]

Sounds like you have figured it out, personally I like to use the method of geometric dilution in a mortar and pestle, and use a filler with closest mass and grain size as the active compound; protein powder even works.

can you explain that in more detail? can't I just mix the filler and the active ingredient in one container by shaking it? or does it not mix evenly?

 

[Mr.Capricious]

Even better, I can send a video.
Instead of doing an "approximate amount"
Weigh the active compound at the start example 1G, add to mortar, add 1G filler, and mix, then add 2G filler, then mix, then 4G filler, then 8 etc. Keep doubling it until all your filler is mixed with your active ingredient.

 

[Mr.Capricious]

View: https://youtu.be/k-3DoyKy0zE

 

[Mr.Capricious]

can you explain that in more detail? can't I just mix the filler and the active ingredient in one container by shaking it? or does it not mix evenly?

Not evenly, if you're making 10mg capsules and you geometrically dilute, you may get 9mg capsules up to 11mg (just an estimate)
If you just tossed it in a bag, and mixed, without doubt I believe you will get "hot spots" some capsules will come in at 5mg and upwards of like 15mg, and worse, if you missed a bit, 20-30mg in a few capsules. Again, this is just an example and estimate, but this can and will happen. If you do not go about this the most accurate way possible (geometric dilution).

 

[poff1]

can you explain that in more detail? can't I just mix the filler and the active ingredient in one container by shaking it? or does it not mix evenly?

it's better to add the filler in geometric proportions, this ensures more consistency with the concentration in the mix.

For example:
take 1g of active ingredient and 1g of filler, mix (ur preferred method, mortar and pestle is great and most probably the best bet without access to a tumbler)

then take 2g of the diluted powder and add another 2g of filler, repeat

take 4g of mix and add 4g of filler, repeat

u can finally combine 8g of mix and 12g of filler and mix again

the final result will be much more consistent than if u added 1g of active ingredient to 19g of filler directly and mixed for the same amount of time.

 

[Mr.Capricious]

Also, grind down your filler in your mortar and pestle to fill cracks and then dump it out so it doesn't eat your active ingredient right when you start.

 

[NiMa]

Even better, I can send a video.
Instead of doing an "approximate amount"
Weigh the active compound at the start example 1G, add to mortar, add 1G filler, and mix, then add 2G filler, then mix, then 4G filler, then 8 etc. Keep doubling it until all your filler is mixed with your active ingredient.

ok, in my example with the 1g active compound and 19g filler, I need to add 1g active compound first, then always add some of the 19g filler. But I don't have to weigh it again exactly to add first 2g, then 4g, then 8g, right? I can divide and add the 19g into example 3-4 different portions, right?

and one more question. can the active substance be destroyed by the mortar? example if I use DNP with a filler mortar.

 

[Mr.Capricious]

ok, in my example with the 1g active compound and 19g filler, I need to add 1g active compound first, then always add some of the 19g filler. But I don't have to weigh it again exactly to add first 2g, then 4g, then 8g, right? I can divide and add the 19g into example 3-4 different portions, right?

and one more question. can the active substance be destroyed by the mortar? example if I use DNP with a filler mortar.

The portions you add would equal to 1g filler, then 2, then 4, etc. If you split it up in 4 equal portions and add It in you're gonna fuck it up, follow the steps on the video with the tips you got here and youll be alright, if you're looking for a shortcut just shake and bake a bag.

You shouldn't need to add a filler with dnp with like a size 3 or 4 capsule, plus you would need a separate mortal/pestle even if you did do it as it would permanently stain your stuff yellow. I wouldn't advise you to try this method for the first time with dnp.

I'd stick to the stuff that won't kill you or others if you fuck it up first and foremost to fully understand what exactly you're doing and why you're doing it the way you are (geometric dilution).

 

[combover]

and one more question. can the active substance be destroyed by the mortar? example if I use DNP with a filler mortar.

I get everyone has to start somewhere, but DNP?
I got scared for you just reading that.

 

[Mr.Capricious]

I get everyone has to start somewhere, but DNP?
I got scared for you just reading that.

I produced a slight audible gasp when I read it aswell.

 

[Mr.Capricious]

if you're looking for a shortcut just shake and bake a bag.

This was sarcasm, do NOT do this, especially with DNP, please.

 

[NiMa]

that was just an example. I don't (yet) intend to work with dnp.

 

[Mr.Capricious]

that was just an example. I don't (yet) intend to work with dnp.

Don't use DNP as an example, you scared us, let's just pretend you're using sugar from now on okay?

 

[NiMa]

don't worry, i'll start with oxa or exe. many thanks for your help. I will process it with the mortar and then fill it with this capsule machine:

 

[Mr.Capricious]

don't worry, i'll start with oxa or exe. many thanks for your help. I will process it with the mortar and then fill it with this capsule machine:
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Awesome, glad you could figure this out

 

[Disarmer]

ok, in my example with the 1g active compound and 19g filler, I need to add 1g active compound first, then always add some of the 19g filler. But I don't have to weigh it again exactly to add first 2g, then 4g, then 8g, right? I can divide and add the 19g into example 3-4 different portions, right?

and one more question. can the active substance be destroyed by the mortar? example if I use DNP with a filler mortar.

This is brilliant I had never thought of this. I toss in 7g of blue coloured drink crystals into the motor and pestle on top of my filler then add the drug on the very top and go to town. The uniform hue is what I've been using to gauge the readiness of the mixture.

 

[OffendHand]

Dumb question, but is there any practical way to get a decent capsule machine any more in the US? I note that they're all regulated by the FDA or DEA these days. I used to have a decent semi-automatic 100 capsule machine--it was the smallest semi-automatic one you could get--but it disappeared in a move.

Kinda sucks, because I've got something like 15kg of caffeine that I'm still working my way through from before that got regulated, and no machine to cap it.

(Given that I'm a newb, and therefore untrustworthy, I get it if no one wants to or will answer this.)

 

[BlonkBloink]

well i use this, works wonders