First cycle critique

[ackmack78]

Hey new member here looking for some advice or a critique on my first real cycle which I'm starting next Sunday 9/3
38 5'9" 175lbs 10% BF on TRT @220mg/Wk, been lifting for 2 years. On 220/wk my total T at trough is 1050 e2 60 but no estrogen symptoms.
I've made good gains, I know most would say to hold off on the gear as there's still natural gains to be made but I'm feeling the creep of 40. I want to take the next couple of years to make as much progress as I can before the odometer rolls over.
Technically with my TRT I've ran 1 short cycle of Ment Ace titrated up to 30mg/day for 6 weeks earlier this year as a rebound after dieting down to 7%BF on a Dexa. Made decent gains and didn't get the bad sides common with ment.

Goal: JFG just fucking grow
Cycle:
Wk: 1-17 560mg Test C/wk split in 2 shots
Continue my HCG 500iu/wk split in 2 shots
Wk18 Back to TRT 220mg/week
Test is legit Pharm grade from the pharmacy
Also using HGH at 5iu/day was 2iu for anti aging but wanted to ramp it up for the blast since I got it cheap and the sleep is absolutely amazing at 4iu PM

Nutrition:
Maintenance is 3000 cals/day so week 1 +150 cals then add 100 calories a week until week 5 when I hit +550.
From there use the scale, pictures, mirror, tape and add calories to keep the scale moving without getting excessively fat.
I'm starting slow with calories and pyramiding up because while I gain muscle easily my body loves to put on fat. I also lose fat easily, so I was thinking around week 4 when I'm fully saturated ill be at +450 cals, plenty to grow but not an excessive amount early when the test isn't at its full potential. And then keep increasing them as I go. Diet is 100% clean same thing everyday, 225-250 pro, 50 F, 450 carbs. My 2 off days are usually 350 carbs 90 fat

Training:
5x a week Upper/Lower with an arm day. I train RP style so start at 3 RIR and increase weight, reps, volume and get closer to failure each week until I reach failure in week 5. Deload week 6 and run 3 of these meso cycles for this blast.

Bloods are getting done this week, I'm thinking week 5 just to see my base line numbers, week 12 and post cycle.

Ancillaries:
The usual boatload of supplements incl p5p.
Taking 20mg telmisartan, may increase to 40 on cycle as my BP is just barely under 120/75.
Aromasin and arimidex as needed.
Ralox, nolva, caber on hand. Everything is pharm.

I do have a bonus idea since I responded so well to Ment I kind of wanted to try instead of an oral finisher using Ment Ace as a finisher. Thinking of adding in 25mg/day of Ment weeks 12-17. Only thing is if I do that I may want to throw in Mast P at the same time at 250mg/week taken daily. With that high of a test dose I feel like the Mast will help with the estrogen sides. I've seen some really good reports of Ment and Mast being used together. Last time I ran Ment bloods were excellent and sides were almost non-existent, and I didn't need excessive AI or caber. This might just unnecessarily complicate things and take a half a gram cycle up to a gram for the last 6 weeks.

Anyways sorry for the novel but any advice or critique or questions I'm open to it.

 

[Rido]

Wk: 1-17 560mg Test C/wk split in 2 shots
Continue my HCG 500iu/wk split in 2 shots

I think 560 is a little high imo,

I would think 400-450mg/aweek would be fine + a finisher the last 8-10 weeks would be more ideal. just cause you are already on test

I dont think ment is a great one to try as you messed around with it before as it may be an estrogen bomb and you are already increasing test.

Some "Finishers" that come to mind. If you never done TRT I wouldnt even think about this unless you wanna screw around the last 6 weeks.

Anavar,
Anadrol
Mast(maybe last 10 weeks)

Test is legit Pharm grade from the pharmacy

Random comment: I am assuming this is a compounding pharmacy. To me that is nearly the same shit as a good brewer

 

[ackmack78]

I think 560 is a little high imo,

I would think 400-450mg/aweek would be fine + a finisher the last 8-10 weeks would be more ideal. just cause you are already on test

I dont think ment is a great one to try as you messed around with it before as it may be an estrogen bomb and you are already increasing test.

Some "Finishers" that come to mind. If you never done TRT I wouldnt even think about this unless you wanna screw around the last 6 weeks.

Anavar,
Anadrol
Mast(maybe last 10 weeks)




Random comment: I am assuming this is a compounding pharmacy. To me that is nearly the same shit as a good brewer

Ya compounding pharmacy 200mg/ml.

I went with 560 because I'm already hitting 220 a week with TRT and it only puts me high normal @1050. So I thought jumping from 220 to 450 would be less dramatic than for some someone who's never taken androgens and jumps right in at 400-500.

I do have Mast E, Mast P and Anavar on hand. From all my research I kept seeing people unhappy with Anavar as a finisher on blast.

 

[jdubzzz44]

How about titrating up 400-450 test for first 6-8 weeks check bloodwork and then go 550-600 test for the rest

 

[Rido]

I do have Mast E, Mast P and Anavar on hand. From all my research I kept seeing people unhappy with Anavar as a finisher on blast.

Curious to why people are unhappy. What have you ready?

 

[ackmack78]

How about titrating up 400-450 test for first 6-8 weeks check bloodwork and then go 550-600 test for the rest

That's something I hadn't really considered, may not be a bad idea at all. Difference between 450 and 550 really be that much though especially if I'm already on a higher dose of TRT?

Curious to why people are unhappy. What have you ready?

Just mainly that besides the strength gain which went away when they stopped, they didn't feel like it made much of a difference in adding tissue during the cycle and it seemed like a waste. Most recommendations were to save it for a cut where it really shined. I will admit most of my research for the past year has been on Reddit/steroids. I've only been researching on the forums for a couple months.

 

[Aquaman]

400 test 400 mast then 50 MG anadrol for the last 5 weeks

 

[Fattyone]

Don’t titrate. Just wasting time and adding to the length at which you’ll reach your new, temporary “normal” making for probably 6-8 weeks of sides that are changing and who knows what’s going on. I have a better chance at getting raped by a tranny than you do at having bad sides and needing to bail at 560mg test a week considering you’re doing 220/wk for TRT and feeling great.

Saying 560/wk is too high and 450 is better is also dumb (imo) no disrespect to @Rido but dude.. we are talking about 100mg a week here. It’s cyp too so that 560 ain’t really 560.
I’m all for starting slow and growing on the least amount, just thought such a low difference was silly to haggle over.

 

[Rido]

Saying 560/wk is too high and 450 is better is also dumb (imo) no disrespect to @Rido but dude.. we are talking about 100mg a week here. It’s cyp too so that 560 ain’t really 560.
I’m all for starting slow and growing on the least amount, just thought such a low difference was silly to haggle over.

Meh, each their own.

450 to 560 is a almost a 25 percent dose increase.

It's still 560 of test C. Some people start experiencing sides even over 400(I personally don't)

I run my cycles as 300-500 of test and fill the rest of anabolics with a dht but that is my perspective. Which I did suggest

Or you can increase it where you may need an AI instead and throw more shit on your cycle to deal with.

 

[ackmack78]

I do have a question since I can't seem to find it in my notes. How much weight should I be looking to gain each week after the initial water weight gain?
Off the top of my head Im coming up with a pound a week is a good goal to shoot for. I know you want to keep the scale moving and use pictures and the mirror to watch for excessive fat gain. I tend to be the type to put on fat easily but I'm not going into this trying to stay lean I just want to grow but not put on ridiculous amounts of fat

 

[Juicedhead]

im wondering how this is your first cycle when youve used ment. Anyway looks good finish it or strt it with an oral .

 

[Juicedhead]

I do have a question since I can't seem to find it in my notes. How much weight should I be looking to gain each week after the initial water weight gain?
Off the top of my head Im coming up with a pound a week is a good goal to shoot for. I know you want to keep the scale moving and use pictures and the mirror to watch for excessive fat gain. I tend to be the type to put on fat easily but I'm not going into this trying to stay lean I just want to grow but not put on ridiculous amounts of fat

just go by the mirror i wouldnt worry about the scale too much unless you have a specific weight goal

 

[ackmack78]

just go by the mirror i wouldnt worry about the scale too much unless you have a specific weight goal

I can do that. I'm assuming if the scale stops moving up it's time to add more calories?

im wondering how this is your first cycle when youve used ment. Anyway looks good finish it or strt it with an oral .

Fair enough, not a true first cycle but the first cycle with any real length to it The previous one was just a 6-week rebound.
What do you think about adding the Ment as a finisher. Last time 30mg a day Ment with my 220/Wk test was a smooth run, minimal sides, no estrogen issues and had great results.

 

[Davidinovg]

I can do that. I'm assuming if the scale stops moving up it's time to add more calories?

Fair enough, not a true first cycle but the first cycle with any real length to it The previous one was just a 6-week rebound.
What do you think about adding the Ment as a finisher. Last time 30mg a day Ment with my 220/Wk test was a smooth run, minimal sides, no estrogen issues and had great results.

I would finish with ment only if acetate ester, otherwise if enanthate will take weeks to build up in ur system and you will reach the end of ur cycle.

Any short ester or oral would be a better choice.

I would start with your test and see how it goes, check ur E2 and add a compound of ur choice based on how u will look mid cycle.

I personally never used ment.

 

[buzzingonaas]

Would not personally use MENT. Honestly wouldn’t really recommend any oral but that’s a personal thing. No real reason to use an oral over an injectable, I’d save a second injectable for the next blast if I were you.

 

[ackmack78]

I would finish with ment only if acetate ester, otherwise if enanthate will take weeks to build up in ur system and you will reach the end of ur cycle.

Any short ester or oral would be a better choice.

I would start with your test and see how it goes, check ur E2 and add a compound of ur choice based on how u will look mid cycle.

I personally never used ment.

Ya it's Ment Ace. If shit goes sideways it can be out of my system in 2 to 3 days max.
The only other short ester I have is Mast P enough for 400 for 6 weeks.
Orals I have an Anavar which I was saving for my spring cut and long esters I have Mast E and Deca which it's way too early to think about but was thinking about for next year's bulk.
Clearly I have a drawer full of this shit

 

[Juicedhead]

I can do that. I'm assuming if the scale stops moving up it's time to add more calories?

Fair enough, not a true first cycle but the first cycle with any real length to it The previous one was just a 6-week rebound.
What do you think about adding the Ment as a finisher. Last time 30mg a day Ment with my 220/Wk test was a smooth run, minimal sides, no estrogen issues and had great results.

if you like ment then use ment . im a big beliver in durgs that you like and feel good on so if you ran ment and really liked it i would finish with ment ace. I khojw a good source for domestic ment if you need one. you might need that arimidex on the ment and possibly even that caber. Ment is an amazing compound but hard to predict. curious why dont you kick start it with something and finihs with someting? your cycle is long so you might platue like a bitch shit id kick start forsure with something and finish with something

to answer you question about the scale just weight yourself like once a week and not daily it can really fuck with your head but i mainly go by the mirror and then ill weigh myself once a week and that way i know i will have eiher gone up or down depending on my goal.

 

[ackmack78]

if you like ment then use ment . im a big beliver in durgs that you like and feel good on so if you ran ment and really liked it i would finish with ment ace. I khojw a good source for domestic ment if you need one. you might need that arimidex on the ment and possibly even that caber. Ment is an amazing compound but hard to predict. curious why dont you kick start it with something and finihs with someting? your cycle is long so you might platue like a bitch shit id kick start forsure with something and finish with something

With my first ment run I overdid the AI the first week or two because of all the horror stories. By the end I was just running 0.5 adex 2x a week. Thats the dose my doctor wants me to take for TRT when my estrogen is 50 to 60, but I don't take it since no sides. I didn't need caber, but I know this could be a whole different game mixed with the high test so I'm ready with everything on hand.

I have considered a kickstart but from looking around I hadn't seen a ton of people recommending it especially Anavar for a kickstart. I kind of decided against it. I'm trying to run a few different compounds over the next couple years and see how they treat me so I can dial into what I like. So I did ment solo, now I'll start with testosterone solo for 12 weeks. My plan was probably low dose mast E w TRT for the last 10 weeks of next year's cut. Then test and Deca for next year's bulk. I figure by then I'll have a good idea of how I react to each compound and can go with what works for me from there.

 

[ackmack78]

I khojw a good source for domestic ment if you need one.

I might be interested in that source of Ment Ace. I've got enough Ment now, but it's Amino Asylum and they always sketch me out a little

 

[Juicedhead]

I might be interested in that source of Ment Ace. I've got enough Ment now, but it's Amino Asylum and they always sketch me out a little

you dont like amino? Ive only ever used his ment and it was good