First cycle issue

[Nix24]

Hi all,

on my first cycle. Been pinning for 5 and a half weeks of an expected 8 week cycle - deliberately short as it's my first. I normally take trt (I have andropause) at medical doses of 100/wk so I know my blood work before I started was good with test at high end of normal range and e2 roughly the same.

did bloods at the end of week 2, found e2 slightly elevated but test at 10 times normal levels (good gear!), with a weekly dose of 1g Aramidex. I pushed up the aramidex to 1.75mg to get e2 back to normal.

it's titrating cycle as it's my first one, so I began on 300 of test in two doses per week and moved up to 500 which I've been on since week 4. I also did deca at 200 once a week in weeks two and three but it didn't agree with my blood pressure so I've stopped it.

my libido has gone and I'm not horny. It's good gear as hubby is on it and he's banging guys like a bunny in heat, plus the bloods confirm it's good so it's not that. I do aromatise (know that from trt) but other than no libido I have no signs of high e2. Wondering - is it time for more bloods, or am I just reading too much into low libido and should chill the fuck out?

would appreciate thoughts - cheers

 

[lukiss96]

I don't understand what's the real issue? Hormonal rollercoaster is pretty normal on higher dosages. Especially since it's your first time on cycle. Besides as T increases, E follows so it should be higher than on trt to balance itself out. If you don't feel high estrogen symptoms you don't need to worry.

 

[fooba]

titrating your doses... running 1g of adex a week for 300mg of test since week 2 when levels havent stabilized yet. wonder why

 

[Nix24]

titrating your doses... running 1g of adex a week for 300mg of test since week 2 when levels havent stabilized yet. wonder why

Sorry forgot to say I actually have to take 0.75g adex when I'm on TRT, so that's actually only an increase of 0.25g

 

[lukiss96]

Sorry forgot to say I actually have to take 0.75g adex when I'm on TRT, so that's actually only an increase of 0.25g

I agree, some need it and we don't use it 'just in case'. I too take anastrozole 0.25mg eod on 250mg T undec because I need it and feel 5x better than without it.

 

[Nix24]

Sorry forgot to say I actually have to take 0.75g adex when I'm on TRT, so that's actually only an increase of 0.25g

Can I ask what the issue is with titration?

I don't understand what's the real issue? Hormonal rollercoaster is pretty normal on higher dosages. Especially since it's your first time on cycle. Besides as T increases, E follows so it should be higher than on trt to balance itself out. If you don't feel high estrogen symptoms you don't need to worry.

Problem is the lack of libido and my dick not working as it should. It's not the end of the world, as when I come off cycle, the hormones will calm down and sort themselves out, but I'm just wondering if mid-cycle bloods would be (a) sensible or (b) a waste of cash

 

[TheRingloVale]

So were you actually having symptoms from the high e2, or did you just throw adex at it because you thought you should?

I'd discontinue the adex and only add a SMALL dose back in WHEN you start having high e2 symptoms (overly emotional, bloating, sensitive nips). 1.75 adex seems like a ton of AI for your test dose, to me at least. For me, .25 twice a week does the job almost too well on 500 test. And for me, e2 is a huge driver of sex drive...I get insatiable sex drive when my e2 gets high, and it tails off majorly when I kill e2.

 

[Nix24]

So were you actually having symptoms from the high e2, or did you just throw adex at it because you thought you should?

I'd discontinue the adex and only add a SMALL dose back in WHEN you start having high e2 symptoms (overly emotional, bloating, sensitive nips). 1.75 adex seems like a ton of AI for your test dose, to me at least. For me, .25 twice a week does the job almost too well on 500 test. And for me, e2 is a huge driver of sex drive...I get insatiable sex drive when my e2 gets high, and it tails off majorly when I kill e2.

Thanks for this. I have to take 0.75 anyway because of the andropause or test just evaporates; that comes from my doctor. I then did bloods week 2 showing elevated E2 so i put in basically double or quits. I’ve been wondering about this, so I think the answer is more bloods and tailor Adex accordingly. Thank you - that’s very helpful advice

 

[lukiss96]

Thanks for this. I have to take 0.75 anyway because of the andropause or test just evaporates; that comes from my doctor. I then did bloods week 2 showing elevated E2 so i put in basically double or quits. I’ve been wondering about this, so I think the answer is more bloods and tailor Adex accordingly. Thank you - that’s very helpful advice

It's totally individual, I too can't live without adex on synthetic Testosterone. It took me awhile to figure out how to dose it for different esters, dosages and etc.

 

[lopsided]

What was your source for the arimidex? Trying to search for myself and can't find

 

[Nix24]

What was your source for the arimidex? Trying to search for myself and can't find

Sorry, but it's from my doctor. Andropause is a condition whereby your body literally stops producing testosterone of its own - my balls don't work - so I get it on prescription from them.

 

[bigboy420]

Sorry, but it's from my doctor. Andropause is a condition whereby your body literally stops producing testosterone of its own - my balls don't work - so I get it on prescription from them.

Poor guy. Our balls are only on vacation.

 

[Nix24]

So were you actually having symptoms from the high e2, or did you just throw adex at it because you thought you should?

I'd discontinue the adex and only add a SMALL dose back in WHEN you start having high e2 symptoms (overly emotional, bloating, sensitive nips). 1.75 adex seems like a ton of AI for your test dose, to me at least. For me, .25 twice a week does the job almost too well on 500 test. And for me, e2 is a huge driver of sex drive...I get insatiable sex drive when my e2 gets high, and it tails off majorly when I kill e2.

Thread update - this was the right advice. I stopped Adex completely, libido returned in spades about a week or so after I finished it. Fixed the problem and made me grow better and more consistently. Thanks for the advice TheRingloVale, I really appreciate it.

 

[TheRingloVale]

Thread update - this was the right advice. I stopped Adex completely, libido returned in spades about a week or so after I finished it. Fixed the problem and made me grow better and more consistently. Thanks for the advice TheRingloVale, I really appreciate it.

Hell yeah! I did something right! I'm glad I helped!

 

[ChevChelios]

So were you actually having symptoms from the high e2, or did you just throw adex at it because you thought you should?

I'd discontinue the adex and only add a SMALL dose back in WHEN you start having high e2 symptoms (overly emotional, bloating, sensitive nips). 1.75 adex seems like a ton of AI for your test dose, to me at least. For me, .25 twice a week does the job almost too well on 500 test. And for me, e2 is a huge driver of sex drive...I get insatiable sex drive when my e2 gets high, and it tails off majorly when I kill e2.

This. From what you wrote the libido issues could be due to having crashed your e2 taking all that AI, unless you have estrogen sides don’t take it as having a fked e2 will make you feel like shit n tank your libido (sometimes even worse than if your test was low)