First Cycle Issues - do I come off??

[User2022]

Hi guys,

I'm a 29 year old male who has been training naturally for twelve years, along with playing sports. Extremely fit & healthy, but had not gained any significant muscle in a couple of years.

Got my bloods done, went to a "hormone friendly" registered doctor, explained my situation & he suggested I could do a 400mg/week Test E cycle.

I then got my bloods reviewed by a pharmacologist who suggested the same.

So I proceeded, and for the injections, I used a nurse recommended by the doctor for my first few.

The nurse had the bottle of testosterone, and was meant to inject:

Day 1: 400mg
Day 4: 200mg
Day 7: 200mg
Day 10: 200mg

Until I was comfortable doing it myself.

However, after the fourth injection she told me I was almost out of the Test E & would need more.

I then asked to see the bottle, and it was a 10ml bottle containing 250mg per 1ml, and there was less than 2ml left.

So turns out, she had been injecting me with double the above amounts (at least), roughly:

Day 1: 800mg
Day 4: 500mg
Day 7: 500mg
Day 10: 500mg

This was six days ago, and I immediately ceased the injections, and have been engulfed in anxiety all week wondering if I have caused any damage.

My resting heart rate is up about 12 beats/minute, and I have symptoms of anxiety that I have mistaken for serious issues (or so I believe - as I had about a year of anxiety in my teens). Sex drive almost completely gone and haven't experienced a single positive side effect from the testosterone. I own two companies & part of the reason for going on was to increase my mental performance also.

I had just completed a ten week cut where my calories were at 2200 with ten training sessions (five lifting, five cardio) a week, and jumped up to 3200 calories for the cycle.

When I spoke to the doctor he recommended Aromasin which I took 25g of Monday, Weds, Thurs & Friday, taking a break today and then 12.5mg tomorrow.

I have been feeling that I have lost a significant amount of mental clarity & sharpness since I came on (which is the opposite of what I thought would happen) and today, I am feeling subdued & almost depressed (could be a once-off though).

I was considering coming off as I can't let my performance for work be affected, but I was recommended to adjust to the normal dose of 200mg from tomorrow. The doctor has been slightly evasive since I told him about the nurse's mistake (as she was his recommendation), so I am hoping to turn to you guys for some advice as to what to do.

Basically, I could come off, but I'm fairly certain I'm shut down and I'm worried that if I feel like I do today for the next few weeks, I could let some of my business slip. We are gearing up for a major investment which is why the next while is crucial.

Otherwise I could stay on a normal dose. I am afraid that the initial large dose has caused some damage to me such as LVH, as I feel my breathing is much more laboured & my resting heart rate is up (from to about 66) although I believe that could easily be the anxiety from learning I've been given more than double the dose I was led to believe.

If you have any suggestions, please let me know - all advice is appreciated here.

 

[Millard]

Just stop. You will be fine after only a 10 DAY cycle of testosterone. Your circulating testosterone will remain at supraphysiologic levels for a relatively short period of time.

Follow up with the doctor who started you on a non-therapeutic treatment that you were not ready to do. Or better yet, another physician who can monitor and return you to baseline.

 

[OmL]

I am far from an expert but that is a wild amount of aromasin.

 

[juicebro]

My opinion is if you want to come off come off but the screwup with the dosages could just be treated as a front load. Some people do that on purpose as test e takes weeks to kick in. You could drop to your normal weekly dosage. The anxiety and overthinking issues probably have more to do with messing with your e2 levels. I'm on 800mg of test e and 25mg aromasin at once crashes me the next day and I feel awful. You are taking that much almost everyday.

 

[Megadick3000]

Sounds like a lot of psychosomatic symptoms bro. Basically your having anxiety attack. Now this nurse is a fucking idiot though, get the fuck away from her because she cant even properly administer a drug.

If it was me, id continue the cycle but with the proper dose. Just look at the higher doses as a frontloading. Its a lot of test but its a long ester so the dynamics of it in your system are “slowed” if you will. Just switch to the proper dosage and the excess will taper off over the next week.

Most of what your describing sounds like a psychosomatic thing, your hyping yourself up about it.

But seriously punch that nurse in the fucking teeth, imagine it was a drug with a lot higher potential for lethal consequences if misdosed...

 

[User2022]

Hi guys,

Firstly, I really appreciate everybody's answers here. I do think the anxiety & aromasin dosage are the major problems, it was a rough week to say the least.

I ideally would like to continue on cycle at a lower dose so I can experience some positive effects.

Regarding my heart rate.

I have seen a significant increase in my average heart rate both resting & active. I have seen on other threads reference to the HAARLEM trial, which stated an increase of about 10bpm is normal on a similar dose of testosterone. Mine personally is up about 12bpm. Would I be right in stating that this is also to do with the state of stress I'm in?

Again, I appreciate anybody taking the time out of their day to respond. Will be making the decision tomorrow so trying to gather as much feedback as possible.

 

[Driada Medical]

Good afternoon, sir.
Let's briefly make a few conclusions and recommendations.

1. Nothing bad has happened to you except probably an increase in estradiol. This caused water retention in your body and increased heart rate. But it's not dangerous, don't worry. Reduce the dosage to 200 mg and take an estradiol test. Libido has fallen most likely also for this reason.

2. Find a specialist who will ask you to take blood tests at the beginning and then prescribe aromatase inhibitors and their dosages.

3. Everything has already been said about this nurse. She probably needs to go on vacation to rest

4. You definitely need to work on your anxiety. This is not an easy path, but after you become more confident in yourself, many problems will disappear from your life. I've come across this myself. Panic attacks, anxiety, suspiciousness, increased pulse, shortness of breath and everything related to it have haunted me for several years. Start thinking about it right now and little things like 800 mg of testosterone will never be able to bother you again.

 

[Driada Medical]

Hi guys,

Firstly, I really appreciate everybody's answers here. I do think the anxiety & aromasin dosage are the major problems, it was a rough week to say the least.

I ideally would like to continue on cycle at a lower dose so I can experience some positive effects.

Regarding my heart rate.

I have seen a significant increase in my average heart rate both resting & active. I have seen on other threads reference to the HAARLEM trial, which stated an increase of about 10bpm is normal on a similar dose of testosterone. Mine personally is up about 12bpm. Would I be right in stating that this is also to do with the state of stress I'm in?

Again, I appreciate anybody taking the time out of their day to respond. Will be making the decision tomorrow so trying to gather as much feedback as possible.

Most likely that's it. Your autonomic nervous system is under stress and gives your heart the command to beat faster. Everyone has been through it once. It is not necessary to measure the pulse often, otherwise you can come to the fact that you measure it 30 times a day (I came to this once).

The life of a modern person is filled with stress, but you need to slow down, exhale a little and give yourself a rest. We've been learning to strain all our lives, but we don't know how to rest. A good sleep has a very positive effect on the autonomic nervous system. Try taking relaxing baths as well.

 

[User2022]

Hi everyone,

For an update:

I have continued at the dose of 200mg and while I certainly feel better, I don't feel any positive sides still. Aromasin 12.5g 3x/week.

My BP is around 130/65, resting heart rate has dropped about 6BPM.

Libido isn't there at all.

I have also started waking up in the middle of the night puffing air through my lips which never happened before, which is disrupting my sleep & energy levels. I am wondering if this could be linked to how I felt my breathing was more laboured during the day (although I know this was to do with anxiety also).

I got my E2 & Prolactin tested last week and results were:

Prolactin: 402.9
E2: 70.16

I have not noticed any additional energy, strength gains, or anything linked to the test - I know it is early days - but my testes are shrunken by about 30%.

I would like to come off, but seeing as this wasn't part of the initial plan it's definitely not the most convenient time for me to do so particularly as I'm shut down. Currently, I am spending too much time worrying about side effects.

I have a PCT protocol for the end of initial cycle, but as I am currently 26 days on cycle, have you any advice for what I should do?

 

[TrenTrenTren]

Hi everyone,

For an update:

I have continued at the dose of 200mg and while I certainly feel better, I don't feel any positive sides still. Aromasin 12.5g 3x/week.

My BP is around 130/65, resting heart rate has dropped about 6BPM.

Libido isn't there at all.

I have also started waking up in the middle of the night puffing air through my lips which never happened before, which is disrupting my sleep & energy levels. I am wondering if this could be linked to how I felt my breathing was more laboured during the day (although I know this was to do with anxiety also).

I got my E2 & Prolactin tested last week and results were:

Prolactin: 402.9
E2: 70.16

I have not noticed any additional energy, strength gains, or anything linked to the test - I know it is early days - but my testes are shrunken by about 30%.

I would like to come off, but seeing as this wasn't part of the initial plan it's definitely not the most convenient time for me to do so particularly as I'm shut down. Currently, I am spending too much time worrying about side effects.

I have a PCT protocol for the end of initial cycle, but as I am currently 26 days on cycle, have you any advice for what I should do?

You are developing sleep apnea. A lot of us have it. Your trt clinic probably has a sleep study you can do, and you can buy a mask. No biggie.

 

[Driada Medical]

Hi everyone,

For an update:

I have continued at the dose of 200mg and while I certainly feel better, I don't feel any positive sides still. Aromasin 12.5g 3x/week.

My BP is around 130/65, resting heart rate has dropped about 6BPM.

Libido isn't there at all.

I have also started waking up in the middle of the night puffing air through my lips which never happened before, which is disrupting my sleep & energy levels. I am wondering if this could be linked to how I felt my breathing was more laboured during the day (although I know this was to do with anxiety also).

I got my E2 & Prolactin tested last week and results were:

Prolactin: 402.9
E2: 70.16

I have not noticed any additional energy, strength gains, or anything linked to the test - I know it is early days - but my testes are shrunken by about 30%.

I would like to come off, but seeing as this wasn't part of the initial plan it's definitely not the most convenient time for me to do so particularly as I'm shut down. Currently, I am spending too much time worrying about side effects.

I have a PCT protocol for the end of initial cycle, but as I am currently 26 days on cycle, have you any advice for what I should do?

Before taking the tests, did you have sexual abstinence for 24 hours?

 

[TrenTrenTren]

Before taking the tests, did you have sexual abstinence for 24 hours?

What are you doing to the kid!!??

 

[grey]

<frantic worried words>

My friend you are VERY FAR from having the mental fortitude for steroid use.

Back away from the drugs. Stay away from the drugs.

Wait until you aren't panicked over things a 5 second Google search would have told you are harmless.

If that EVER happens and your hypochondria (which you have in SPADES) is well and truly passed THEN you might consider trying this again.

 

[EatClen/TrenHard]

your doctor suggested you run a cycle?

 

[Deleted member 127229]

I honestly can’t tell if this guy is trolling or not lol.


On the off-chance you aren’t, PLEASE never use steroids ever again. I’m getting the impression you don’t even lift too.

 

[AlphaT-Rex]

Just reading this caused me anxiety. Wtf Is wrong with your doctors? 25mg Aromasin? Ya jump on 400 test no problem. These are actually doctors that told you this? Lower is always better. Why everyone feels the need to jump on high test for there first time is beyond me. You can make gains off lower doses. A nurse who doesn't not know how to properly dose? Wtf? I would run for the hills.

Best advice, just STOP everything immediately. I can't imagine what your blood work looks like either. I would have my doc do my blood work asap etc. My other advice would be know what you are putting in your body, the effects, sides, etc.