First cycle questions

[Certified Bub]

Hello everyone! New to the forums but I’m glad I found this place. Seems like a lot of good information here (digging through Reddit and random websites gave me nothing but garbage and conflicting answers). Looking to iron some stuff out on my first cycle, mainly pct. Currently sitting at 6’ 180, probably 10-12% BF. Always had a hard time gaining size. Been lifting for about 4 years so I’m ready.

Weeks 1-2 250mg test c, 125mg every 3 days, .5 armidex 3x a week
Weeks 3-12 500mg test c, 250mg every 3 days, .5 armidex 3x a week
(Considering) Weeks 5-6 10mg dbol daily
Weeks 7-9 20mg daily

Pct is where I’m not quite sure yet, I could definitely use some advice here. I have a decent idea but nothing for sure.

Going to source from pharmacom. Seems like they’ve got a good reputation. Thanks for any advice!

 

[CCLBeast]

Welcome to meso.

Why 500mg of test in your first cycle?

250mg is enough.
No need to take more in your first cycle.

 

[Certified Bub]

Welcome to meso.

Why 500mg of test in your first cycle?

250mg is enough.
No need to take more in your first cycle.

Everyone I know has started at 500, and from my reading seems to be the standard after a lowered dose first 2 weeks. I’m also impatient and not too worried about test sides. I will obviously be very careful and cease use at the first signs of anything major. Order has been placed, just need to send payment tonight.

 

[freedom69]

I'd run your first cycle 200-400 a week, but before anything look into blood work. You're not going to know anything about what AI you may or may not need without blood work....I also wouldn't suggest adding a thing (dbol) to your first go with Test. The whole point should be a smooth experience and figuring out how YOUR body reacts to the compound. The whole not worried about sides thing sounds good when you have no idea, but I know guys who can run 700mg just fine and others who can look at 150mg and get every side known to man.

 

[Phreezer]

I like the 500mg per week personally. Don't see the need to start low at 250mg then bump up to 500mg at week 3.

Contrary to currently popular statements 500mg per week is NOT a heavy cycle. That said, much more than 500mg starts to have diminishing returns on gains vs sides.

Before HRT I used to like to front load week one personally.. so week one for me was my highest dose of test in any week.

 

[Certified Bub]

I like the 500mg per week personally. Don't see the need to start low at 250mg then bump up to 500mg at week 3.

Contrary to currently popular statements 500mg per week is NOT a heavy cycle. That said, much more than 500mg starts to have diminishing returns on gains vs sides.

Before HRT I used to like to front load week one personally.. so week one for me was my highest dose of test in any week.

Yes I've always heard 500mg is very moderate. My only reason for going 250mg the first 2 weeks is just to play it safe and see how my body reacts. You don't see an issue with just running 500mg out of the gate on the first cycle?

 

[Phreezer]

Yes I've always heard 500mg is very moderate. My only reason for going 250mg the first 2 weeks is just to play it safe and see how my body reacts. You don't see an issue with just running 500mg out of the gate on the first cycle?

None.

I believe you were doing it backwards

 

[Aheio]

Yes I've always heard 500mg is very moderate. My only reason for going 250mg the first 2 weeks is just to play it safe and see how my body reacts. You don't see an issue with just running 500mg out of the gate on the first cycle?

I definitely agree with fredom69 to run your blood work before and after. Check if you even need an AI don’t just guess you’re going to need it. Using an AI can really mess with you lipids and if you don’t need it in the first place you can crash your E2 and get even worst sides.
Since it’s you first cycle just do test the conversion in dbol is going to bloat you and give you even more thing to think about when its your first time. I see no problem starting at 500mg but you have to think about your goals and what you’re trying to achieve. If you start at 300mg and then titrate up with every cycle with adding a anabolic or androgenic compound maybe an anavar, masteron, npp, for years to come. But if you start at 500mg how much more do you think your body will tolerate until you’re getting more sides than benefit and have to cut it short. I personally did my first cycle 250mg test for 10 weeks. Then did 300mg test and anavar 12 weeks. 3rd 500mg test only 12 weeks.

I'd run your first cycle 200-400 a week, but before anything look into blood work. You're not going to know anything about what AI you may or may not need without blood work....I also wouldn't suggest adding a thing (dbol) to your first go with Test. The whole point should be a smooth experience and figuring out how YOUR body reacts to the compound. The whole not worried about sides thing sounds good when you have no idea, but I know guys who can run 700mg just fine and others who can look at 150mg and get every side known to man.

 

[Ziath11]

Adex 3x a week is gonna destroy your body. At 500 you may not even need an AI. See how your body reacts to the test first and get blood work done before eating handfuls of ai. Estrogen is essential for muscle growth and many other things.

 

[imaginarymountain]

If you want to titrate up from 250mg to 500mg, do it after 5-6 weeks. Plus do it in smaller steps in my opinion. After 2 weeks makes zero sense if you are using Test C. It hasn't saturated that fast.

 

[imaginarymountain]

Also I agree, 0.5mg Arimidex is maybe too much, especially if you start on 250mg. It lowers estrogen really soon after dosing. Don't dose preemptively, dose when you need it.

 

[Lansader]

Test 500 is very strong , you’d probably overwork your joints from the drug if you have tremendous gains off the get, I’d love to hear some feedback from others on this

 

[Aheio]

Test 500 is very strong , you’d probably overwork your joints from the drug if you have tremendous gains off the get, I’d love to hear some feedback from others on this

I think it’s definitely a possibility. It’s all relative to how you train and eat. I think specially for your first cycle if you’re not used to some of the sides a lot of things can go wrong, but also you can have a tremendous experience. It all depends. I’m of the belief that you need to try shit and figure it out. You can read and get as much advice as you can get but you won’t actually know until you do it.

 

[Certified Bub]

Test 500 is very strong , you’d probably overwork your joints from the drug if you have tremendous gains off the get, I’d love to hear some feedback from others on this

Only one way to find out I suppose. I’ve haven’t heard any horror stories from 500mg per week from anyone I know personally who has done it. Something like tren on the other hand, countless.


Im interested to see what people think about the dbol, (I know it’s not a great idea but I’d like to get saucy before summertime) mainly dosages. I’ve heard 10-20mg to start, but I’ve also heard at least 30-40mg to see any real results. Thoughts?

 

[Aheio]

Only one way to find out I suppose. I’ve haven’t heard any horror stories from 500mg per week from anyone I know personally who has done it. Something like tren on the other hand, countless.


Im interested to see what people think about the dbol, (I know it’s not a great idea but I’d like to get saucy before summertime) mainly dosages. I’ve heard 10-20mg to start, but I’ve also heard at least 30-40mg to see any real results. Thoughts?

Can you define saucy?

Adding another aromatizing compound just doesn’t make sense to me. If you’re really just going to start at 500 thats a lot you’ll have more than enough gains from that. imo

I’ve never used dbol for the same reason that I really don’t see in which scenario it would applicable your already getting the estrogen from test why at another one? You can find way better androgenic or anabolic out there.

You’re doing your first cycle, depending on how your genetic and body responds to the compound you will get sides. And the stuff that is a given to all steroid users will come. You have to learn how to deal with them first. Stuff like estrogen conversion is a given everyone gets it how are you going to react when you get gyno symptoms? How are you going to combat oily skin and if you do start getting acne? If its your first time pinning you will be dealing with PIP and pinning virgin muscles. Then you have to get used to pinning 2-3 times a weeks. If you really want to get “saucy” you need to make sure you’re eating enough and training hard af. Imo that enough for a first timer to worry about. But again it’s just my opinion .

 

[Certified Bub]

Can you define saucy?

Adding another aromatizing compound just doesn’t make sense to me. If you’re really just going to start at 500 thats a lot you’ll have more than enough gains from that. imo

I’ve never used dbol for the same reason that I really don’t see in which scenario it would applicable your already getting the estrogen from test why at another one? You can find way better androgenic or anabolic out there.

You’re doing your first cycle, depending on how your genetic and body responds to the compound you will get sides. And the stuff that is a given to all steroid users will come. You have to learn how to deal with them first. Stuff like estrogen conversion is a given everyone gets it how are you going to react when you get gyno symptoms? How are you going to combat oily skin and if you do start getting acne? If it’s your first time pinning you will be dealing with PIP and pinning virgin muscles. Then you have to get used to pinning 2-3 times a weeks. If you really want to get “saucy” you need to make sure you’re eating enough and training hard af. Imo that enough for a first timer to worry about. But again it’s just my opinion .

I train hard for around 2 hours daily, cardio before and after. Diet could be better but for the most part is pretty solid. Genetically I think I got lucky with aesthetics, but I just can’t put on any more lean mass. Sure, I could bulk but but I don’t want to lose my definition. My main reason going for dbol is the quick bulk up you go through over the short cycle. I would add it mid cycle assuming everything is going smoothly. And yes I realize you retain a lot of water, so it’s kind of counterproductive to what I’m trying to achieve, but I can make the short term sacrifice for long term gain.

 

[musclesiege]

I train hard for around 2 hours daily, cardio before and after. Diet could be better but for the most part is pretty solid. Genetically I think I got lucky with aesthetics, but I just can’t put on any more lean mass. Sure, I could bulk but but I don’t want to lose my definition. My main reason going for dbol is the quick bulk up you go through over the short cycle. I would add it mid cycle assuming everything is going smoothly. And yes I realize you retain a lot of water, so it’s kind of counterproductive to what I’m trying to achieve, but I can make the short term sacrifice for long term gain.

Like the other posters said I would wait for dbol. Taking a strong oral so early is not great when you don’t know how your body will respond to higher test yet and dbol aromatizas like crazy so your chance for sides like gyno and acne soar and you don’t know how your liver will handle it. I’d wait for your second cycle to incorporate a second compound. For my first test cycle I was in TRT already and had handled 200mg very well so I upped to 350-400 for a few weeks then 500 for the rest of the cycle. I felt amazing at 350-400, at 500 I didn’t see much difference except started to get some acne and heart rate increased. If I incorporated dbol I’d have acne explosion, would have to worry about gyno, liver stress, cholesterol in the tank and possible need to control BP.