First Cycle: Start with TRT or Jump into Blast? (23M)

[DARKOSETEONELY]

Currently finishing a cut at 64 kg and 164 cm. Just had bloods done (attached) and got some advice from a coach I’d like to get second opinions on.

He reckons my test is naturally low (not just from being lean) and suggested starting on 125 mg/week, split twice weekly. Stay in a deficit, get leaner, then once in a better spot, bump to 300 mg/week for a lean growth phase, possibly pushing to 400 mg later if needed. Run that for ~20 weeks, then drop back to TRT and reassess. AI only if gyno symptoms pop up.

My original plan was to go straight into a lean gain phase at 300 mg/week, pinning every 3.5 days (Sunday AM / Wednesday PM), and adjust if needed based on progress and sides. I’ve got Aromasin and Adex on hand — leaning toward Aromasin unless I respond better to Adex.

So my question is – should I start with TRT and lean down further like the coach suggests, or go ahead with my full cycle gain phase now?

Bloods and pics attached. Open to all input – appreciate it.

 

[thejumpingsheep]

Id say too young to do roids but if you are set on it, start at low dosages and work up slowly.

Your 1st cycle is to learn your body and thats it. You are testing and getting labs and figuring out what dosages will do to you. Body Building is the least of your worries on 1st cycle. Odds are you will build regardless as long as you got good product but 1st cycle you need to figure out what 100mg-125mg of T will do to you so that you can perfect future cycles. Also note, your E2 is low, and lipids are not right for your age. Running T for example, will make lipids even worse though it might help your E2 but by how much? Hence why 1st cycle, you need to figure that shit out and not worry about other stuff.

Just dont rush and take good notes. We can help more if we knew what gear you plan to use. I assume its T only but which ester? If you go with standard T-E then I would suggest starting very slow at 125mg (assuming you have 250mg/mL) per week and run that for 4 weeks. Then pull labs see where everything sits. Take special notice of your E2 and LDL. Then go up to 250mg/wk for a month and pull labs again. At this point you should start seeing bigger impacts on bloods and you will have a good idea what adding more will do. The time frames change based on which ester you select.

Next, you really need to see how your body reacts post cycle so no, I would not jump on TRT right after. That wont help towards the goal of understanding your body. You need to see if your body shut down or not. So once the cycle is done, do your PCT, and pull bloods to see if your body recovered. This is important info. You can use it in the future for recovery.

Also, given you are low test already, I would say to get some HGC. There are different ways to use it, but in general, it should help keep your body from shutting down regardless of whether you use it during cycle or at the end as part of PCT.

For PCT, the popular drugs are Clomid and Nolvadex but Ive read of folks who just let it happen naturally without the meds. I can tell you that Clomid and Nolva made my balls huge after PCT and it only took about a month. My T production was actually higher than pre-cycle even a month after PCT ended. So obviously, they worked. I think if you wait for it to happen naturally, it will just take much longer, but again, we have no idea till you try it. So get the drugs or dont, either way you will learn something but do figure out if your body turns back on after cycle.

Best of luck on your journey.

Oh one last bit. Your LDL will get ugly. You need to figure out how to bring that under control. There are a lot of ways from changing diet to drugs. Obviously dialing in your diet should be priority but I assume you already did that prior to starting AAS. If that doesnt work... then you need to find other remedies. Dont let it linger at high levels.

 

[Benf15harp]

Ask this question again in 2035

 

[IndividualMan]

100mg tren ace/day NOW

I am not in a position to say "just wait 3 more years bro", but please, consider waiting 3 more years. if not, do the thing with 125 test/wk and titrate upwards. if fertility is something you consider important, use HCG as well.

 

[Caligrower]

Bro, you’re 140lbs and not even lean. I don’t think you need drugs, you need a Costco membership.

 

[krvuxn]

You’re 64kg, you don’t need steroids. You need food and more training experience. But you’re an adult, and you make your own decisions.

 

[lalakis]

my advise is that is to early to jump to roids but if you chose to start better start with a small dose a bit more than trt like 200mg per week, stay at there few weeks to see how you react to this make some blood tests so you can learn how to dial your ai if you need, then pct correct. from all of this you will gain some muscle and first of all you will gain experience. next time make again the same but a bit bigger dose. so try and learn. cause every one is different and what you read doesnt apply to every one.

 

[lukiss96]

Start with 1ml/cc which is most commonly 200-300mg. Later on and only if necessary increase your dose by 0.5ml/cc.

P.S. I'm not gonna judge your decision since I started your age myself. Just an advice to hold your horses until you're 25.

 

[hexagonal]

I'd say wait 2+ more years to anyone asking this question at 23.

I'd say wait to anyone with your body weight/height/composition asking this question regardless of age.

I'd say wait until you get your lipids under control for anyone posting that bloodwork.

You're moving in the right direction on things - but you've got a lot of room to grow naturally and take the time to get your training, diet, recovery, etc. dialed in, which is going to make the bang for the buck on the gear go that much farther.

Your T is on the lower end in general so TRT might not be crazy if you actually have symptoms (and be honest with yourself there) but I'd keep it 100% within the physiological range now.

Remember your coach is going to be most interested in helping you get the physique results you want so you keep paying him and not your long term health.

 

[DARKOSETEONELY]

You’re 64kg, you don’t need steroids. You need food and more training experience. But you’re an adult, and you make your own decisions.

But my test is so low man

 

[DARKOSETEONELY]

I'd say wait 2+ more years to anyone asking this question at 23.

I'd say wait to anyone with your body weight/height/composition asking this question regardless of age.

I'd say wait until you get your lipids under control for anyone posting that bloodwork.

You're moving in the right direction on things - but you've got a lot of room to grow naturally and take the time to get your training, diet, recovery, etc. dialed in, which is going to make the bang for the buck on the gear go that much farther.

Your T is on the lower end in general so TRT might not be crazy if you actually have symptoms (and be honest with yourself there) but I'd keep it 100% within the physiological range now.

Remember your coach is going to be most interested in helping you get the physique results you want so you keep paying him and not your long term health.

The low test is the only reason I want to hop on to be honest.

 

[DARKOSETEONELY]

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Bro, you’re 140lbs and not even lean. I don’t think you need drugs, you need a Costco membership.

It's mostly the low test I'm worried about.

 

[Civdiv]

You said you're just finishing up a cut. How hard were you cutting and how's your nutrition and sleep? That can all have a huge impact on test. A friend of mine just had his test crashed from naturally upper range to way below the lower range from cutting too hard. 2 weeks of refeeding with a proper diet and he was rebounding well. Don't know if any of this applies to you. Just wanted to throw it out there before you make a decision to get on drugs for the rest of your life at a young age. If you need trt you should definitely consider it. Just make sure it's not something else dropping your test first.

 

[OmL]

64kg almost certainly leaves you with a massive a massive amount of natural growth left to do first.

 

[IndividualMan]

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It's mostly the low test I'm worried about.

But my test is so low man

The low test is the only reason I want to hop on to be honest.

you are looking for someone to be your yes man. It is your decision, and it seems you have already made it. noone here is gonna tell you that it is a good decision, even if they themselves did something similar/ at a similar age. there are reasons why noone is gonna tell you it is a good idea.

Realistically you just need to start eating after this cut. Get bloodwork after eating in a caloric surplus for 1-2 months. it will probably be okay.

But you are not going to listen to them, or me. You are going to run your dinky little dose, until you either find out that steroids aren't for you, or you are gonna find out you love gear. Thats just how it goes.
Curiosity killed the cat, or maybe it got jacked.

 

[thejumpingsheep]

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It's mostly the low test I'm worried about.

Aside from what others have said, it should be noted that your test and free test can be related to your lipids. You have high LDL, which can reduce your testosterone production and can raise your SHBG which binds to testosterone and lowers your free-T. Note that your SHBG is also high which again can be cause by the high LDL (inflammatory response).

As I stated above, you are way too young to have lipid problems already. This is not normal. Are you already on something? I guess what im trying to say is perhaps, by fixing your high LDL, your T and free-T might look better.

 

[DARKOSETEONELY]

Aside from what others have said, it should be noted that your test and free test can be related to your lipids. You have high LDL, which can reduce your testosterone production and can raise your SHBG which binds to testosterone and lowers your free-T. Note that your SHBG is also high which again can be cause by the high LDL (inflammatory response).

As I stated above, you are way too young to have lipid problems already. This is not normal. Are you already on something? I guess what im trying to say is perhaps, by fixing your high LDL, your T and free-T might look better.

I'm not on anything at all. I think I'm going to eat at maintenance for four weeks and have another blood test to get to the bottom of this and see if the cut has affected me.

 

[thejumpingsheep]

I'm not on anything at all. I think I'm going to eat at maintenance for four weeks and have another blood test to get to the bottom of this and see if the cut has affected me.

This is a reasonable plan. You need to get to the bottom of the lipid issues regardless of what you decide to do with AAS. Unsure what your workout regime is, but in general, cardio helps with lipid issues.

 

[DARKOSETEONELY]

This is a reasonable plan. You need to get to the bottom of the lipid issues regardless of what you decide to do with AAS. Unsure what your workout regime is, but in general, cardio helps with lipid issues.

Yeah aside from step count I haven't done dedicated cardio in few months. Been doing 4x a week resistance training upper lower split.

I'm also going to try taking some additional supplements to see if they help at all.

Omega 3
Vitamin D3 + K2
Vitamin C
Zinc
Creatine
Nac
Magnesium glycinate
Circulatory complete

 

[Biggerp73]

(1) don’t use steroids. At 5’4” you will never be big even if you grow to the size of a Mr Olympia competitor. But your natural look is already athletic, any normal woman will find your arms muscular, and you can have and keep your abs naturally. Once you use steroids you will never feel muscular enough, will be addicted to them forever, will have to run ancillaries for your health, etc etc.

If you did make the moronic decision to use steroids, don’t use HCG along with your cycle, use HMG. HCG targets the cells that produce testosterone, not sperm. HMG keeps the sperm producing cells alive and working.