First Cycle - Sustanon 250

huntlo

New Member
Hey guys

I've been doin research now for about 4 months regarding AAS cycles. My first thought was going with either a test enth or cyp cycle
but because of supply issues I have to settle with sust 250. I'm 22 yrs old, 6' 2", 204 lbs and I've been training for the past 6 yrs due
to the fact that I was in sports year round. It wasnt until college that I settled on one sport. That being said, this is what I have in mind:

Weeks 1-10 Sust 250
Weeks 13-16 Nolva 40/20/20/20
Weeks 13-16 Clomid 100/50/50/50

I have Adex on hand for gyno

The biggest question I have is how to shoot the sust...
Some people say E3D and some say EOD...
Now, when people suggest either one they usually give dates like Mon/Thu or Mon/Wed/Fri...
Are you not suppose to count the weekends?? I mean I have no problem pinning on different days.

For example:
10 weeks = 70 days if I pin EOD then there would be a total of 35 shots. Right?
So, can I just divide 10 cc by 35 and take that amount EOD? I just figure that way it would keep my blood levels the most consistent.


But yall are the experts, so let me know what yall think..
 
Hey guys

I've been doin research now for about 4 months regarding AAS cycles. My first thought was going with either a test enth or cyp cycle
but because of supply issues I have to settle with sust 250. I'm 22 yrs old, 6' 2", 204 lbs and I've been training for the past 6 yrs due
to the fact that I was in sports year round. It wasnt until college that I settled on one sport. That being said, this is what I have in mind:

Weeks 1-10 Sust 250
Weeks 13-16 Nolva 40/20/20/20
Weeks 13-16 Clomid 100/50/50/50

I have Adex on hand for gyno

The biggest question I have is how to shoot the sust...
Some people say E3D and some say EOD...
Now, when people suggest either one they usually give dates like Mon/Thu or Mon/Wed/Fri...
Are you not suppose to count the weekends?? I mean I have no problem pinning on different days.

For example:
10 weeks = 70 days if I pin EOD then there would be a total of 35 shots. Right?
So, can I just divide 10 cc by 35 and take that amount EOD? I just figure that way it would keep my blood levels the most consistent.


But yall are the experts, so let me know what yall think..

Well some people like to pin more often then not to keep blood levels consistant... ideally E3D would be best.. but 2x's a week will do... nothing less than than!

For one... only running 250mg a week of Sust ISNT ENOUGH... not sure what your trying to accomplish with that little of amount. I would run it at 500mg/wk.. (250mg pins 2x's a week)

When you pin 2xs a week you want it spreat out as much a possible.. so any time would work..
Mon/Thur, Tue/Fri, Wed/Sat, Thur/Sun, Fri/Mon... you get the point..if you go E3D.. then you pin every 3rd day including the weekends..

also you pct may be a little over load..
 
Well some people like to pin more often then not to keep blood levels consistant... ideally E3D would be best.. but 2x's a week will do... nothing less than than!

For one... only running 250mg a week of Sust ISNT ENOUGH... not sure what your trying to accomplish with that little of amount. I would run it at 500mg/wk.. (250mg pins 2x's a week)

When you pin 2xs a week you want it spreat out as much a possible.. so any time would work..
Mon/Thur, Tue/Fri, Wed/Sat, Thur/Sun, Fri/Mon... you get the point..if you go E3D.. then you pin every 3rd day including the weekends..

also you pct may be a little over load..


getbig - how would you do the pct for this cycle? as you prob know, i'm on 500mg EW sust cycle.
 
Well some people like to pin more often then not to keep blood levels consistant... ideally E3D would be best.. but 2x's a week will do... nothing less than than!

For one... only running 250mg a week of Sust ISNT ENOUGH... not sure what your trying to accomplish with that little of amount. I would run it at 500mg/wk.. (250mg pins 2x's a week)

When you pin 2xs a week you want it spreat out as much a possible.. so any time would work..
Mon/Thur, Tue/Fri, Wed/Sat, Thur/Sun, Fri/Mon... you get the point..if you go E3D.. then you pin every 3rd day including the weekends..

also you pct may be a little over load..

thanks for the feedback

My concern with E3D is that I would be wasting the prop?

The low dosage is just for precaution since it is my first cycle and I workout 6 days a week so
if I start showing AMAZING results I dont want to start raising questions.

What would you suggest for PCT? Lower dosages or reduced time..

again thanks for the help
 
getbig is right-most people dont have any sides at 500mg a week

there is a study showing that 300mg a week can actually give you more sides

what i would do, if your not going to pin the sust EOD is get some test e

its not just the prop in sust that requires more frequent pinning, afterall there is only 30mg prop per ml.

but he isocaproate ester and the phenyl propionate ester are also short esters-and unless you pin at least 3x a week your blood levels will not be stabel
 
there is a study showing that 300mg a week can actually give you more sides

newbie 23 do have a link to that study or article? Is it the sust at 300 mg or is it just test in general that causes more sides at lower dosages??
 
all test is just test

the only thing that differs is the ester that is attached to it. the ester is responsible for how fast or slow it releases the testosterone into your system.

i dont know how to post a link with this stupid apple im on so ill jst paste it


The following text outlines the benefits and risks of Testosterone administration based on a clinical human trial of 61 healthy men in 2001. The purpose of the trial was to determine the dose dependency of testosterone’s effects on fat-free mass and muscle performance. In this trial 61 men, 18-35years old were randomized into 5 groups receiving weekly injections of 25, 50, 125, 300, 600 mg of Testosterone Enanthate for 20 weeks. They had previous weight-lifting experience and normal T levels. Their nutritional intake was standardized and they did not undertake any strength training during the trial. The only two groups that reported significant muscle building benefits were the 300 and 600 mg groups so any dose lower than 300mg will not be considered in this essay. 12 men participated in the 300 mg group and 13 men in the 600 mg group.
600mg of Testosterone a week for 20 weeks resulted in the following benefits. Increased fat free mass, muscle strength, muscle power, muscle volume, hemoglobin and IGF-1.
The same 600 mg administration resulted in 2 side effects. HDL cholesterol was negatively correlated and 2 men developed acne.
The normal range for total T in men is 241-827 ng/dl according to Labcorp and 260-1000 ng/dl according to Quest Laboratories. The normal range for IGF-1 is 81-225 according to Labcorp. Total T and IGF-1 levels were taken after 16 weeks and resulted in the following;

Total Testosterone
300 mg group-1,345 ng/dl a 691 ng increase from baseline
600 mg group-2,370 ng/dl a 1,737 ng increase from baseline

IGF-1
300 mg group-388 ng/dl a 74 ng increase from baseline
600 mg group-304 ng/dl a 77 ng increase from baseline

Body composition was measured after 20 weeks.

Fat Free Mass by underwater weighing
300 mg group-5.2kg (11.4lbs) increase
600 mg group-7.9kg (17.38lbs) increase
Fat Mass by underwater weighing
300 mg group-.5kg (1.1lbs) decrease
600 mg group-1.1kg (2.42lbs) decrease
Thigh Muscle Volume
300 mg group-84 cubic centimeter increase
600 mg group-126 cubic centimeter increase
Quadriceps Muscle Volume
300 mg group-43 cubic centimeter increase
600 mg group-68 cubic centimeter increase
Leg Press Strength
300 mg group-72.2kg (158.8lbs) increase
600 mg group-76.5kg (168.3lbs) increase
Leg Power
300 mg group-38.6 watt increase
600 mg group-48.1 watt increase
Hemoglobin
300 mg group-6.1 gram per liter increase
600 mg group-14.2 gram per liter increase
Plasma HDL Cholesterol
300 mg group-5.7 mg/dl decrease
600 mg group-8.4 mg/dl decrease
Acne
300 mg group-7 of the 12 men developed acne
600 mg group-2 of the 13 men developed acne

There were no significant changes in PSA or liver enzymes at any dose up to 600mg. However, long-term effects of androgen administration on the prostate, cardiovascular risk, and behavior are unknown. The study demonstrated that there is a dose dependant relationship with testosterone administration. In other words the more testosterone administered the greater the muscle building effects and potential for side effects.

Given the results of the study and based on years of personal experience I believe the first time user can safely use between 300-600 mg of testosterone enanthate or cypionate per week for 8-12 weeks. Because it is desirable to have even blood androgen levels I advise at least 2 equal injections per week. Testosterone cypionate peaks within 1-2 days after injection and falls off to almost baseline by day 10. Therefore waiting 7 days between injections of cypionate would cause wide fluctuations in blood androgen levels.


If a first time user wanted to use 600 mg of cypionate or enanthate per week he would inject 300 mg on Tuesday and another 300 mg on Saturday each week for 10 weeks. When injecting long heavy esters like cypionate with this frequency I tend to have less acne then 1 injection per week.
There are a number of esters which provide varying release times. Acetate or propionate esters extend the release time of testosterone a couple of days. In contrast, a deconate ester prolongs the release of testosterone about 3 weeks. Testosterone enanthate and cypionate are almost identical esters. The use of an ester allows for a less frequent injection schedule than using a water based testosterone like suspension which has no ester at all and is rapidly in and out of your system after injection. The published release times are not exact and are many times based on a single injection not many multiple injections which can delay the release of the hormone. Other factors affect release times of esters such as scar tissue and the muscle group injected. Only a blood test can confirm when the active hormone has cleared your system.
Esters not only effect release times but also the potency of the Testosterone as esters make up part of the steroid weight. This must be taken into account when calculating dosages. The longer the release time the less free hormone. For example propionate is about 15% more potent mg. for mg. then enanthate so 500mg of propionate would equal about 575 mg. of enanthate.
 
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