First cycle - test only

[ThatGuyy312]

Hey there, first post so cut me some slack.

I am currently 18yo, I know it may be too early but I dont care too much since I'm planning on doing the most basic cycle ever, so no side effects (hopefully). I am 186cm tall, 76kg and like skinny fat I guess, I got some gyno, probably like 20-20% bf.

I got my bloodwork done and I am not all that happy. I only have about 500ng/dl. I didnt measure free test, however I measured shbg and e2 and some other stuff, here is the bloodwork:

Total Test: 17.02 nmol/l
FSH: 1.95 mIU/ml
LH: 2.83 mIU/ml
Estradiol: 91 pmol/l
SHBG: 30.3 nmol/l
Prolactin: 385 mIU/L

I was planning on doing an test only cycle with an ai. I was thinking about test e at trt dosages of like 250 per week. Ai to reduce e2, its already too high anyways, but I'm unsure about dosages and what ai to take. Now I'm not sure what to do with pct, I was thinking of maybe enclo or hcg, I can get my hands on both although I think the hcg may even be cheaper not sure. I dont know what dosages to take tho and when to start taking it. Also, maybe some one can help me out with the duration of the cycle? I'm also unsure about that.


tl;dr I want to cycle test e at 250mg per week. Idk duration of cycle, idk dosages of ai and enclo/hcg. Would be nice if yall can help me out instead of bashing my idea <3

 

[Nidus]

Shutting down your own HTPA for 250mg test only cycle is a bit questionable. I mean you can achieve really great results and test waters this way as 250mg is pretty safe, arguably you could run 250-300mg of test forever if you keep everything in check and stay on top of things. You might as well just stay on as part of TRT. In the longer run then add 2-3iu of GH, some Primo or Anavar and youre set for the next 2-3 next cycles.

As for the duration i would recommend something between 12-16 weeks minimum excl. the 4-5 weeks it takes to achieve stable serum levels of Test when using a longer ester like Test E or C.

As for the SHBG, you could look into Proviron as well. 250mg of Test with some Proviron is a really good combination.

 

[ThatGuyy312]

Shutting down your own HTPA for 250mg test only cycle is a bit questionable. I mean you can achieve really great results and test waters this way as 250mg is pretty safe, arguably you could run 250-300mg of test forever if you keep everything in check and stay on top of things. You might as well just stay on as part of TRT. In the longer run then add 2-3iu of GH, some Primo or Anavar and youre set for the next 2-3 next cycles.

As for the duration i would recommend something between 12-16 weeks minimum excl. the 4-5 weeks it takes to achieve stable serum levels of Test when using a longer ester like Test E or C.

As for the SHBG, you could look into Proviron as well. 250mg of Test with some Proviron is a really good combination.

Yea you're right, its definetly a low dose and I guess shutting down natural production wouldn't be worth it, but thats why I'd want to do a pct right? I dont intend to be on trt for the rest of my life.

I dont really want to blast, as you said, I want to test it out first and I dont want to get huuge, yk. I think the results from 250mg test would be satisfactory.

Could you give some thoughts on a proper pct and if I maybe should run like enclo or hcg with the test.

 

[lukiss96]

I dont intend to be on trt for the rest of my life. I dont really want to blast, as you said, I want to test it out first and I dont want to get huuge, yk.

Everybody starts with just that ONE cycle...

 

[1Megaman]

Everybody starts with just that ONE cycle...

It’s one cycle if you never come off. Haha

 

[lukiss96]

It’s one cycle if you never come off. Haha

Always on mode. That's true.

 

[BigDadd7]

Hey there, first post so cut me some slack.

I am currently 18yo, I know it may be too early but I dont care too much since I'm planning on doing the most basic cycle ever, so no side effects (hopefully). I am 186cm tall, 76kg and like skinny fat I guess, I got some gyno, probably like 20-20% bf.

I got my bloodwork done and I am not all that happy. I only have about 500ng/dl. I didnt measure free test, however I measured shbg and e2 and some other stuff, here is the bloodwork:

Total Test: 17.02 nmol/l
FSH: 1.95 mIU/ml
LH: 2.83 mIU/ml
Estradiol: 91 pmol/l
SHBG: 30.3 nmol/l
Prolactin: 385 mIU/L

I was planning on doing an test only cycle with an ai. I was thinking about test e at trt dosages of like 250 per week. Ai to reduce e2, its already too high anyways, but I'm unsure about dosages and what ai to take. Now I'm not sure what to do with pct, I was thinking of maybe enclo or hcg, I can get my hands on both although I think the hcg may even be cheaper not sure. I dont know what dosages to take tho and when to start taking it. Also, maybe some one can help me out with the duration of the cycle? I'm also unsure about that.


tl;dr I want to cycle test e at 250mg per week. Idk duration of cycle, idk dosages of ai and enclo/hcg. Would be nice if yall can help me out instead of bashing my idea <3

TLDR: Dumb. You don't have to be another kid who refuses to listen or learn from others. 30 minutes of actual reading would answer all of your questions, and you would realize all the reasons this is a bad idea. This is the exact talk I had with my boys when they were your age.

While you're waiting, start eating a LOT of protein and lift heavy stuff in the gym four days a week. That actually works for people your age. Try it for 6 months and you'll see it works for you too.

 

[ThatGuyy312]

TLDR: Dumb. You don't have to be another kid who refuses to listen or learn from others. 30 minutes of actual reading would answer all of your questions, and you would realize all the reasons this is a bad idea. This is the exact talk I had with my boys when they were your age.

While you're waiting, start eating a LOT of protein and lift heavy stuff in the gym four days a week. That actually works for people your age. Try it for 6 months and you'll see it works for you too.

I appreciate the honest advice, I know its not a good thing to be on test at 18yrs. I already do go to the gym and all but my goals transcend building muscle. I only have like 1 or 2 years left to POTENTIALLY even accomplish what I'm trying to do. I'd much rather try this and dont get the results instead of never doing so and probably thinking back at the missed opportunity my whole life.

That being said, I figured out most stuff I need for my cycle, however theres still one thing I'm unsure about, maybe someone will answer. I cant really store hcg once reconstructed so I figured I might use enclo instead with the test to prevent shrinkage all? I'm just not sure if that'll work, might have to do more research.

I will not be beginning my cycle for a good amount of time though, so I have plenty of time to achieve some stuff muscle building wise, while still being natty.

Oh yeah, everyone that says "sure... only ONE cycle right..." I would only need one cycle and the sooner the better the chances at succeeding.

 

[HUGE McBIGLARGE]

You’re very young, and in my opinion not educated enough on these drugs to be taking them.

If you’re determined to take these drugs, I’d suggest doing a lot more reading before starting.

Steroids are psychologically addictive. You need the knowledge to be able to make informed decisions about your own health.

I’m on 315mg a week, along with HCG. And I’m miserable with my physique. I eat nothing tasty, I work out hard every day, and I look in the mirror and see a dweeb staring back at me. The temptation to take more T, or multiple compounds, is real. But I keep myself in check with the knowledge I’ve acquired over the years. If I didn’t have this knowledge, I’d be dead from pursuing more drugs.

While you’re doing your reading, record your blood pressure daily. Keep it logged. And if and when you’re about to start taking drugs, get a full blood panel, hepatic panel, renal panel, and lipid panel. You should know your baseline before starting, so you can see what effect exogenous androgens have on you.

Having said that, 250mg a week is good, and unless you have ill biomarkers or side effects, it could be ran indefinitely. But you are, of course, possibly risking your health at any dose. I’d suggest a low dose of an AI as well, and test your e2 after a few weeks

Prolactin: 385 mIU/L

That prolactin is a little high. Nothing crazy though. Maybe you nutted before the test?

its already too high anyways

Your e2 is good at 91pmol/l

I'm unsure about dosages and what ai to take.

Anastrozole, letrozole, or exemestane. I’ve got all three and they’re all pretty interchangeable (the dosages are different, however). Get whichever is cheapest. Exemestane is meant to be marginally kinder to lipids.

Now I'm not sure what to do with pct, I was thinking of maybe enclo or hcg, I can get my hands on both although I think the hcg may even be cheaper not sure.

You should do both HCG and a SERM. Take the HCG while on cycle and during PCT.

I cant really store hcg once reconstructed so I figured I might use enclo instead with the test to prevent shrinkage all?

I’m not familiar with SERMs, but it’s to my understanding that taking a SERM while on T has absolutely no beneficial effect.

To my understanding, SERMs tell the pituitary gland you are at a huge deficit of androgens and estrogens. The pituitary gland then churns out massive amounts of gonadotropins to stimulate testosterone production. But if you’re taking a high dose of T, the pituitary gland will be so heavily suppressed that even with a SERM it ain’t gonna do anything.

If you wanna keep your balls while on T, you gotta take HCG (or HMG if you’re rich).

Keep in mind that even with PCT, you may have a permanent reduction in fertility. You may also be stuck on TRT forever if you’re unlucky with your PCT