First Time User...Would appreciate the knowledge of the vets on a few questions...

[Juice88]

Hey,

I'm 6'5, 245 right now at about 14 or 15% bf....
My lifts:
bp: 225/10
dl: 315/10
sqt: 225/8 (coming back from a serious knee injury)

Let me outline my goals in order of priority so you guys that know this shit can understand what I'm trying to accomplish:

1) increse strength
2) lower bf%
3) gain muscle

I'm well educated on bodybuilding nutrition and am very aware that it is (practically) impossible to bulk while cutting (an oxymoron in itself). I'm not very educated on anabolics and so therefore have a few questions, like:

1)Can you increse strength while losing bf on gear?
3)What is the best ORAL anabolic to use for a first cycle? I won't be injecting in this lifetime

Any knowledge you guys out there have for me would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

 

[gman67]

Hey,

I'm 6'5, 245 right now at about 14 or 15% bf....
My lifts:
bp: 225/10
dl: 315/10
sqt: 225/8 (coming back from a serious knee injury)

Let me outline my goals in order of priority so you guys that know this shit can understand what I'm trying to accomplish:

1) increse strength
2) lower bf%
3) gain muscle

I'm well educated on bodybuilding nutrition and am very aware that it is (practically) impossible to bulk while cutting (an oxymoron in itself). I'm not very educated on anabolics and so therefore have a few questions, like:

1)Can you increse strength while losing bf on gear?
3)What is the best ORAL anabolic to use for a first cycle? I won't be injecting in this lifetime

Any knowledge you guys out there have for me would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Well no needles cuts down on the options a bit but I'd say with diet in check with transdermal fina and oral winny or anavar would be a good stack,,with those two it is possible to lose bf and gain strength without a doubt. Maybe someone else has some opinions though.

 

[Deacon]

to be very honest with you if you dont want to inject you dont belong even thinking about steroids.

Orals are used with injectables as a supplement - and should not be used alone for cycles.

A good first cycle is k.i.s.s. simple - 500 mgs of test for 10 weeks - injected test.

If you want lean mass gains test can be stacked with EQ and or test and tren.

But that would be later after the initial cycle of test alone.

 

[pumppumppuk]

IMO I would be careful using tren since you are coming back from a knee injury.

on tren strenght comes very fast, so be careful not to go to heavy to quick.


PPP

 

[Juice88]

So my choices are limited because I won't inject? this is what I've gathered...

What I'm looking for is not a heavy first cycle...I'm an athlete before I'm a bodybuilder. I don't want or need to get jacked and put on 20 more pounds of muscle.....this'll just slow me down, I play D.E in football. I would ideally like a once a day oral anabolic that would help me bust through some plateaus but not at the price of the negative side effects. What do you guys recommend? or am I being naive?

 

[DISPOSABLE HERO]

So my choices are limited because I won't inject? this is what I've gathered...

What I'm looking for is not a heavy first cycle...I'm an athlete before I'm a bodybuilder. I don't want or need to get jacked and put on 20 more pounds of muscle.....this'll just slow me down, I play D.E in football. I would ideally like a once a day oral anabolic that would help me bust through some plateaus but not at the price of the negative side effects. What do you guys recommend? or am I being naive?

I think you are expecting too much especially from just an oral,like someone said in the previous post you should not even juice if you are to scared to inject,it just comes with the territory.any small gains you "might"get from just an oral will be quickly lost once you stop.also orals should be taken throughout the day in divided doses to help keep blood levels stable.as far as side effects go everyone is different,some people can use a couple grams of test a week wt no anti e's and not have any probs.some bro's can use only 500mg. aweek and get gyno and acne.also juice does'nt help alot to lose fat, that will come from a good diet and cardio.it is also possible to do a "real"cycle and not put on 20 pounds.when you hear about people putting on that much weight you can be sure that most of it is water.advanced bb's are lucky to put on a good 5 pounds of lean muscle n a year and that is with using aas.not trying to be a dick here bro just tryin to break it down for ya.if youre'nt ready to inject you should maybe just do something legal like creatine and work on your diet and training until you might be ready to take the plunge.and by the way football players are some of the biggest juicers there are....good luck bro

 

[Chip Bronson]

i can understand you not wanting to inject bro but it's the best way to go, imo. that said, you have the transdermal option. endocrine_supply is currnetly offering transdermal test and eq that seem to be getting good reviews from a few bros on this board. do a search or you may have already seen them. you may want to avail yourself of these products.

since you know about nutrition, then you'll know that you need to tighten up your diet to lose the fat and you can use the test and eq transdermals to help you hold onto the lean tissue that would be also lost, to a certain extent, on a calorie restricted diet. you will also gain strength on these products provided you use the proper doses but i doubt you'll put on any appreciable mass, which is really what you're looking for anyway. hope this helps and good luck.

Hey,

I'm 6'5, 245 right now at about 14 or 15% bf....
My lifts:
bp: 225/10
dl: 315/10
sqt: 225/8 (coming back from a serious knee injury)

Let me outline my goals in order of priority so you guys that know this shit can understand what I'm trying to accomplish:

1) increse strength
2) lower bf%
3) gain muscle

I'm well educated on bodybuilding nutrition and am very aware that it is (practically) impossible to bulk while cutting (an oxymoron in itself). I'm not very educated on anabolics and so therefore have a few questions, like:

1)Can you increse strength while losing bf on gear?
3)What is the best ORAL anabolic to use for a first cycle? I won't be injecting in this lifetime

Any knowledge you guys out there have for me would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

 

[Juice88]

Thanks for the reply...I don't think you're a dick...hahaha. It's not that I'm afraid to inject, and if it has to come to that, I will. However, I would like to avoid that route if possible. Keep the reply's coming...they're very helpful...

ps: maybe in the nfl or div 1 ncaa steroid use is prevalent and widespread, but in Canada it is fairly hush hush amongst university athletes, although there is at least 1 on every team.

 

[Juice88]

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[juicecravin]

bro, injectables or orals, you are still breakin the rules cause orals are still steroids...WHY NOT GO ALL OUT??? adding 20 lbs. to my body slowed me down by .1 second (4.8 instead of a 4.7) in the 40 yd. Im a weak aka "quick" side d-tackle, and believe me the newly added strength makes it much easier to push through people to where that .1 sec really doesnt add up to jack shit. Man up, especially for a football player, and take the plunge. Get ya a bottle of test enan. and shoot 250mgs every Mon and Thurs. for 10 wks, and follow with Clomid for PCT. Keep your diet straight and clean and you will lose body fat so you will stay quick. By the way, who the hell needs roids to play CANADIAN football, I think my 14yr old sister could handle CANADIAN football. lol. good luck bro.

 

[eleven11]

I'm the other way. I don't like orals maybe some d-bol now and then but injects are MUCH safer than orals. well at least most. I remember when I first considered aas. I said I ain't stickin no needle in me. thats before I learned anything. Now I'm doing ed injections........and I like it.. . do some reading and if you deside to inject go with 25g needles and you won't feel a thing..............11

 

[Juice88]

You guys in the states think Canadian ball is a joke.....it's not as lax as you think it is.....but then again, we don't have 350 million people to choose from for our teams. So there's no need to flame Canadian ball....on a lighter note....thanks to all the great reply's...very helpful info...keep em coming...

 

[Juice88]

please define the following for a newbie:

pct,ed,aas (anabolic steroids? whats the other a?), IMO, PPP, eq

thanks

 

[dzl66]

Try to get your knee healthy first and then open up your options to include injections--you are making it out to be a bigger deal than it really is.
You would have to work at putting on 20lbs anyway when on a cycle--it won't just appear.

 

[pumppumppuk]

please define the following for a newbie:

pct,ed,aas (anabolic steroids? whats the other a?), IMO, PPP, eq

thanks

pct..post cycle therapy

aas...anabolic androgenic ster..

imo....in my opinion

ppp......thats me PumpPumpPuk

eq....equipoise

ed...everyday

eod....every other day





PPP

 

[qqqq]

i got it

So my choices are limited because I won't inject? this is what I've gathered...

What I'm looking for is not a heavy first cycle...I'm an athlete before I'm a bodybuilder. I don't want or need to get jacked and put on 20 more pounds of muscle.....this'll just slow me down, I play D.E in football. I would ideally like a once a day oral anabolic that would help me bust through some plateaus but not at the price of the negative side effects. What do you guys recommend? or am I being naive?

halotestin im a nhb fighter and cant aford to get to big when im training for a fight. the halotestin makes you dam stong but you can only use it for 4 weeks 20mg ed. it will also make u very agessive so try to deep your temp under control. pm me for more details

 

[juicecravin]

juice I was just messin with ya about the canadian league thing...no flame, just joking bro. my bad if i hurt your feelings, I know how whiny you sissy canucks are. (just givin ya a hard time...lighten up. ) anyway, have you decided on anything yet?

 

[qqqq]

i remeber

please define the following for a newbie:

pct,ed,aas (anabolic steroids? whats the other a?), IMO, PPP, eq

thanks

lol i remember when i first came on the board and didnt know what thouse things ment pct post cycle therapy. ed every day. imo in my opinion. eq equpoise similar to deca. ppp please post picture.

 

[jocko]

var winstrol

go anavar and winstrol

 

[Juice88]

Thanks for all the great info....its helping my research a lot...seeing as how I started with zero knowledge, I can say I've learned a lot in the last couple days...I'm still undecided as to what my first cycle is going to be...but it looks more and more like injectables are the best way to go...other than a product called oxandralone (sp?)...adn halo....I may try mixing halo with a test, I'm not sure....and still very uninformed. Here's some criteria that may help you guys offer advice:

1) I'd like a once a day needle kind of thing
2) minimum side effects (already prone to bacne)
3) A cycle no longer than 6 weeks


thanks, peace,

juice