first timer, sanity check please?

[the~club~bro]

hello friends,

can someone do a sanity check on this for me please?

im making the preparations for my first foray into steroids, a test only cycle.

i have a health and safety focus and minimising risk, this means:

1) trying to buy pharma grade test
2) making sure everything is sterile, healthy and clean --> reducing risks etc

so, this has led me down a path of buying testosterone in glass ampoules

glass ampoules -> risk of micro glass shards (?)

mitigate glass shards risk? -> filtering with PTFE/Nylon

however, now im sitting here thinking, im now introducing 2 extra risk vectors

1) filter sterility risk
2) empty vial sterility risk

am i over thinking and needlessly making this way too complicated?

on paper this all makes sense, yes filter your gear, yes transfer to sterile vials, blah blah

sanity check please

thnx bros

 

[wveers89]

You could use syringe filters but youre just complicating it and going for the most expensive route for the cheapest compound. Test is widely produced and tested, almost every source on here has recent labs and user bloodwork posted. Not gonna be a real difference in a compound like Test.

 

[Slowww]

am i over thinking and needlessly making this way too complicated?

100%
Just get some filter for the syringes ffs

 

[BabaJagga]

buy vials and also buy spikes with filter.

 

[krvuxn]

You are making it way more complicated than it needs to be. If you want to use ampoules, and you’re worried about glass, just get some filter needles and be done with it. Do not transfer to a sterile vial, that makes no fucking sense at all.

Also don’t inject every day like all the nerds tell you to, because of some nondescript “sides”. Less risk injecting less often, so twice a week of a full ampoule of 250mg, and that’s it for a standard 500mg per week cycle.

Also if you’re buying pharma vials, it will be sterile. So just be sensible about how you handle a vial and you’ll be totally fine.

If your immune system is fucked and you’re not telling us, then think twice before injecting things you bought on the internet.

 

[UberLOL]

hello friends,

can someone do a sanity check on this for me please?

im making the preparations for my first foray into steroids, a test only cycle.

i have a health and safety focus and minimising risk, this means:

1) trying to buy pharma grade test
2) making sure everything is sterile, healthy and clean --> reducing risks etc

so, this has led me down a path of buying testosterone in glass ampoules

glass ampoules -> risk of micro glass shards (?)

mitigate glass shards risk? -> filtering with PTFE/Nylon

however, now im sitting here thinking, im now introducing 2 extra risk vectors

1) filter sterility risk
2) empty vial sterility risk

am i over thinking and needlessly making this way too complicated?

on paper this all makes sense, yes filter your gear, yes transfer to sterile vials, blah blah

sanity check please

thnx bros

Yes and no. It depends on what you want your injection frequency to be. A lot of pharma test, i.e. bayer testoviron/androtardyl (what i'm running) is benzyl alcohol free (BA) (doesn't need it because it's intended to be injected in one shot). If you want to do shots more often than once a week (recommended) you can backfill or inject into a sterile vial or store in syringe and swap needles and use a sterile luer lock cap (not ideal to store oil in syringes).

Injecting into a sterile vial is probably "best". You can draw with filter needles (avoiding shards), inject into multi-dose, then inject 1-2% BA.

What I do is use 3ml insulin pen cartridges, which equates to about 2 ampoules or roughly 2.5ml (over-filled). I figure that with that quantity the risk of bacteria growth in a sterile vial is pretty low.

 

[UberLOL]

You are making it way more complicated than it needs to be. If you want to use ampoules, and you’re worried about glass, just get some filter needles and be done with it. Do not transfer to a sterile vial, that makes no fucking sense at all.

Also don’t inject every day like all the nerds tell you to, because of some nondescript “sides”. Less risk injecting less often, so twice a week of a full ampoule of 250mg, and that’s it for a standard 500mg per week cycle.

Also if you’re buying pharma vials, it will be sterile. So just be sensible about how you handle a vial and you’ll be totally fine.

If your immune system is fucked and you’re not telling us, then think twice before injecting things you bought on the internet.

I partly agree. But I think 500 a week is too high to start, try max one ampoule a week to start imo, then titrate up depending on bloodwork drawn after 4-8weeks.

 

[krvuxn]

I partly agree. But I think 500 a week is too high to start, try max one ampoule a week to start imo, then titrate up depending on bloodwork drawn after 4-8weeks.

Depends on goals. If we’re bodybuilding, 500 is a great start. If we’re fannying around in the gym, 250 is appropriate.

 

[the~club~bro]

thanks to everyone for the comments.

a few follow ups

1) i dont have any kind of compromised immune system
2) my intention was to start with 250mg a week. im not a bodybuilder rather a sports athlete. i would imagine 500mg being wasted on me
3) i intended to do daily doses because i have no idea what to expect re aromatisation and to be candid the ED dosing is all the rage, yada yada ... that informed my decision/plan

point number 3 is running contrary to what krvuxn has said but that is in a scenario and context in which im running 2 shots a week and 2 full ampoules, which i think is not suitable for me, to be frank

im wondering if i should go back to the drawing board on this with the ampoules and perhaps just source some reputable ugl test e in a multi dose vial? the ampoules are designed and intended for single use, after all.

i just feel like im now running around in circles, adding in so many variables its not worth the effort and creating openings for fucking things up.

why not just a 10ml test e ugl vial just like every other fucker on the planet does and not worry about this at all?

 

[Ghoul]

thanks to everyone for the comments.

a few follow ups

1) i dont have any kind of compromised immune system
2) my intention was to start with 250mg a week. im not a bodybuilder rather a sports athlete. i would imagine 500mg being wasted on me
3) i intended to do daily doses because i have no idea what to expect re aromatisation and to be candid the ED dosing is all the rage, yada yada ... that informed my decision/plan

point number 3 is running contrary to what krvuxn has said but that is in a scenario and context in which im running 2 shots a week and 2 full ampoules, which i think is not suitable for me, to be frank

im wondering if i should go back to the drawing board on this with the ampoules and perhaps just source some reputable ugl test e in a multi dose vial? the ampoules are designed and intended for single use, after all.

i just feel like im now running around in circles, adding in so many variables its not worth the effort and creating openings for fucking things up.

why not just a 10ml test e ugl vial just like every other fucker on the planet does and not worry about this at all?

From pharma and filtering to UGL and fuck it? Ok.

Anyway, all I can tell you is the one. consistant between both ends of your bi-polar approach to this is avoid Test-E. Test-C will get the job done just fine and doesn't risk the myriad of problems (pip, or no pip at first but then later as the oil ages), Test-E is cursed with.

2x week pinning for minimizing sides is sufficient for the vast majority. I suspect a lot of the "fewer sides" reported from the human pincushions is from dead space loss in the syringe accumulating over 7 injections resulting in lower weekly doses.

 

[the~club~bro]

From pharma and filtering to UGL and fuck it? Ok.

Anyway, all I can tell you is the one. consistant between both ends of your bi-polar approach to this is avoid Test-E. Test-C will get the job done just fine and doesn't risk the myriad of problems (pip, or no pip at first but then later as the oil ages), Test-E is cursed with.

2x week pinning for minimizing sides is sufficient for the vast majority. I suspect a lot of the "fewer sides" reported from the human pincushions is from dead space loss in the syringe accumulating over 7 injections resulting in lower weekly doses.

lol all jokes aside, of course i have a preference to use pharma over ugl, i am just playing devils advocate in my head, running through the pros and cons of me fucking up the steps and making a pharma product worse than ugl (is that even possible?) because ive messed up on a number of steps through my own incompetence or sourced equipment that isnt up to scratch etc, all this stuff is running through my mind.

 

[krvuxn]

You can easily do 1 ampoule per week, I'd honestly be very surprised if you have any side effects from that. If you have the money, definitely take pharma test.

It's not unreasonable to use a filter needle for ampoules.

The only way you're fucking this up is if you don't have sensible diet and exercise programs in place. The testosterone you just need to inject, simple as.

 

[SenorSuperdrol]

To much thinking.
Buy the testosterone and shoot it in your butt cheek.
Daily injection on your first cycle sounds stupid.
UGL is just fine.
250mg is barley over trt, why shut yourself down for that dose.

 

[Ghoul]

lol all jokes aside, of course i have a preference to use pharma over ugl, i am just playing devils advocate in my head, running through the pros and cons of me fucking up the steps and making a pharma product worse than ugl (is that even possible?) because ive messed up on a number of steps through my own incompetence or sourced equipment that isnt up to scratch etc, all this stuff is running through my mind.

Providing you don't use garbage filters that's not a concern, you won't make anything worse.

For the minimum needed with ampules, filter needles, use a brand like BD or Braun and there's no doubt they're sterile and safe.

For vials it's "Ultra Spec" 10ml which are certified as sterile and particulate free according to FDA/USP specs. A US based lab supplier makes it highly unlikely those claims are bogus.

If you'll be going full .22um sterile filtration use a reputable brand like Tisch or Conbetter.

If you're using UGL gear filtering and vial spikes will reduce risk, especially cumulative risk over hundreds or thousands of intentions.

 

[AlexDavis43]

lol all jokes aside, of course i have a preference to use pharma over ugl, i am just playing devils advocate in my head, running through the pros and cons of me fucking up the steps and making a pharma product worse than ugl (is that even possible?) because ive messed up on a number of steps through my own incompetence or sourced equipment that isnt up to scratch etc, all this stuff is running through my mind.

It doesn't get easier than this:

To much thinking.
Buy the testosterone and shoot it in your butt cheek.
Daily injection on your first cycle sounds stupid.
UGL is just fine.
250mg is barley over trt, why shut yourself down for that dose.

...

1) i dont have any kind of compromised immune system

Cool, so you're not a bubble boy. Even less need to worry about all the additional optional steps.

Buy gear, inject, lift heavy weights, eat, sleep. Repeat.

 

[Nidus]

From pharma and filtering to UGL and fuck it? Ok.

Anyway, all I can tell you is the one. consistant between both ends of your bi-polar approach to this is avoid Test-E. Test-C will get the job done just fine and doesn't risk the myriad of problems (pip, or no pip at first but then later as the oil ages), Test-E is cursed with.

2x week pinning for minimizing sides is sufficient for the vast majority. I suspect a lot of the "fewer sides" reported from the human pincushions is from dead space loss in the syringe accumulating over 7 injections resulting in lower weekly doses.

Done and do that for years. Using Pharma Test, i pull it with a filter syringe and thats it. Super easy.

Pharma Test i use (Panpharma) just tends to be thicker, so putting the little glass ampule next to my morning coffee to heat it up does wonders.

I think OP is a bit paranoid and just nervous.

 

[the~club~bro]

yep i was just having a paranoid and nervous moment

i am glad i posted this though, because i've learned a few really cool things

1) i didnt know about the BD filter needles which i can source easily vs PTFE .22um filters because i can only find them on amazon and i cant be totally sure of their quality
2) i didnt know about the multi dose vial adapters e.g. BD RoweSpike

i got one follow up question, lets say i follow ghouls advice and do two shots a week i.e. im using 1 1ml ampoule per week and doing 125mg twice a week 0.5ml per shot.

can i get away with cracking open the amp, doing 0.5ml there and then, and then leaving the other 0.5ml in a syringe for 3.5 days or should that really go into a sterile vial?

thnx for everyones patience

 

[Ghoul]

yep i was just having a paranoid and nervous moment

i am glad i posted this though, because i've learned a few really cool things

1) i didnt know about the BD filter needles which i can source easily vs PTFE .22um filters because i can only find them on amazon and i cant be totally sure of their quality
2) i didnt know about the multi dose vial adapters e.g. BD RoweSpike

i got one follow up question, lets say i follow ghouls advice and do two shots a week i.e. im using 1 1ml ampoule per week and doing 125mg twice a week 0.5ml per shot.

can i get away with cracking open the amp, doing 0.5ml there and then, and then leaving the other 0.5ml in a syringe for 3.5 days or should that really go into a sterile vial?

thnx for everyones patience

It's fine.