Freak of nature or just lucky?

JimmyJack

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So I have been paranoid about getting gyno and loosing my hair. I am in my late 40s and have the typical receding hair line nothing major though. And as for gyno I think I just had some fat on them but once I lost weight and bulked up a bit it seems to just be a little bit of fat left. Maybe it’s old gyno from drinking and pot years ago. But I don’t think it is because when I started prescribed trt a few years ago my doc got my levels up around 1200 and kept them there for me said she was treating the patient and not a number on paper. Anyway my estrogen and prolactin shot way up but I didn’t realize it until my other doc did bloodwork and freaked out. I didn’t have itchy tits or swelling other than in my head after I saw the results. I quickly bought some caber and some aromasin. I tried it for a very short period like week or two. Didn’t make much difference. So I have just kept it on hand. I have since done a few cycles. The usual progression high test only up to 400 a week. Then later cycle added in primo during a summer. Then during a winter ran deca and test. Then test primo and Var. Then tried trestolon and now Tren with primo and Var. Pretty much have kept the primo in there either at a low dose for trt plus or higher doses during a cycle. I know the stuff is legit because of the spices and no complaints by others not to mention the gains the Tren taste/cough a few times. The primo crashed my estrogen at one point early on when I had added it to the trt and was running the primo pretty high had to adjust the ratio unfortunately I was really liking the lean hard cut look gains. Oddly I didn’t realize it was crashed until once again I had bloodwork. It was well below the normal range and flagged. I have yet to have any dick issues either with high or low estrogen. No mood issues no hurting joints other than old tennis elbow flair up from a year or two before which commonly comes and goes. My hair hasn’t fell out and I am pretty sure I haven’t got gyno on about 400 test and 200 primo weekly with 25 Var daily and 40 mg daily of Tren A. Nor did I get it at 50 mg of Trest A daily. This is without having to run an AI. So paranoid I have it on hand at home and even work just in case. So should I pretty much be good and don’t have the genes that would cause it or is it maybe the primo preventing it. I never had issues with it growing up during puberty or as a teenager/young adult when into natty bodybuilding, didn’t exactly take the leap my friends did, got to the point people asked me if I was juicing or assumed I was. Anyway am I just lucky or the doses not high enough to trigger it for some people. I just had a blood draw Friday while on a cycle to check everything CBC, lipids, sensitive e2, prolactin etc. Hopefully I will get the results this week. About to have to drop everything except the test because I have to get bloods for my doc towards the end of July for my TRT follow up. Guessing depending on my bloodwork results it’s going to take a while for everything to balance out and look normal. The lack of feedback from my body though like most have is bothersome to me. I feel like I should have been able to tell when my estrogen was high or low. I am guessing I will just have to rely on more often bloodwork to keep it in check.
 
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Can’t go wrong with more bloodwork, that way you know what’s up for sure. Sounds like the cycle you were running was low enough with test, Tren doesn’t aromatize to estrogen and the primo can act as an ai for some guys I’ve heard
 
Title: My Experience with TRT, Gyno Concerns, and Steroid Use

Greetings everyone,

I've been grappling with concerns around gynecomastia (gyno) and hair loss, and I'd like to share my experiences to shed some light on these topics.

At present, I am in my late 40s with a receding hairline, but nothing severe. As for gyno, I had some excess chest fat which seemed to improve after weight loss and muscle gain. I sometimes wonder if this is a lingering result from drinking and marijuana use in my past, but I'm not convinced.

A few years ago, I began prescribed testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). My doctor worked to raise my testosterone levels to around 1200, keeping them stable there. She always emphasized treating the patient, not just a number on a chart. Interestingly, this caused my estrogen and prolactin levels to rise significantly, a fact I only realized when another doctor did bloodwork and voiced concern.

Despite elevated levels, I didn't experience typical symptoms like itchiness or swelling, but I decided to acquire some Cabergoline and Aromasin as precautions. After trying these for a couple of weeks with little effect, I decided to keep them on standby.

Over time, I've engaged in various cycles, ranging from high testosterone (up to 400 a week), adding Primobolan during a summer cycle, Deca and Test during winter, and eventually incorporating Anavar and Trenbolone. I've found Primobolan to be consistently beneficial, keeping it in my regime at varying doses.

The quality of the products I use has been validated through my own gains and lack of complaints from others. During an early stage, high Primobolan doses crashed my estrogen levels, which led to adjustments in my cycle to maintain balance. Surprisingly, despite fluctuating hormone levels, I haven't experienced any libido issues, mood instability, or joint pain beyond a recurring tennis elbow injury.

Importantly, despite the concerns I initially had, my hair hasn't fallen out and I haven't developed gyno, even while taking a weekly dose of 400 Test and 200 Primo, along with daily doses of 25 Anavar and 40mg of Tren A. This has been the case even without an AI (Aromatase Inhibitor).

Given all of this, I wonder: am I simply genetically fortunate or is the Primobolan playing a protective role? I didn't face any of these issues during puberty or my natural bodybuilding years in my youth. I'm hopeful that my current bloodwork, taken mid-cycle and covering everything from CBC and lipids to prolactin levels, will provide some answers.

Looking ahead, I'll need to stop everything except the TRT soon for routine blood tests scheduled for late July. Depending on the results, it might take a while for everything to normalize. One thing that confounds me is my lack of physical feedback in response to hormone changes, unlike what many others report. I suppose I'll need to rely more on regular bloodwork to monitor and adjust as necessary.

Would love to hear your thoughts and experiences.

Cheers!

Oh wow. Magic. Great post @JimmyJack , hopefully someone can help you now.
 
Dude this is awesome! I need to hire you to help me with some research papers I have been procrastinating finishing up. I mean I have been dragging it out years. I am actually ABD with a doctorate degree. If I could just finish my dissertation I would be set. It’s sorta my nightmare I have great ideas but am ADHD as hell. Thanks @lowda99 !
 
Dude this is awesome! I need to hire you to help me with some research papers I have been procrastinating finishing up. I mean I have been dragging it out years. I am actually ABD with a doctorate degree. If I could just finish my dissertation I would be set. It’s sorta my nightmare I have great ideas but am ADHD as hell. Thanks @lowda99 !
lowda99@proton.me , I'm sure we can arrange something. I could use a tiny bit of side work right now (sorry wrong email first time I put Tutanota, actually proton mail)
 
Well my labs came back. My estradiol is 75.3 and my prolactin is 18.6. Like I said before I haven’t had any issues with them being that high but I am about to take some aromasin and maybe caber to get them down within normal range. Incidentally my cholesterol is hdl 20 and ldl 138. Guessing I need to take a break for a while. Wondering if I need to temporarily take a statin or get a script for some ezetimibe.
 
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