FruitLoops' Cycle! Riding that bike!

[FruitLoops]

"FruitLoops" First Bicycle Ride! Yeehaw.

Hey Ya'll

Been studying/lurking/watching around Youtube and the Internet on getting into " The Game ".


Stats:
195-200lbs.
5'11"
6 Years Lifting


Goal:

Bulk
( I will not be counting calories on this cycle. I will be focusing on eating as much as possible w/ 200g protein minimum a day )


Here is what I have material wise:

Pokies:
1. BD 22g Draw
2. BD 25g Inject

Syringe:
1. BD 5ml ( Overkill but it will do )

Oil:
1. 2xT. 250ml/10ml Cyp
2. 2xT. 200ml/10ml Enan

Orals:
1. None!

AI:
1. A-Dex ( 50x1mg Tablet )Will not use unless Bloodwork determines otherwise

HCG:
1. (500IU a week) 250IU Administered The day before each injection.
2. I will upgrade to (1000IU a week) soon.
3. HCG will be taken on cycle twice every week to keep marbles in check.

Serm:
1. None. Going straight into self-administered cruise after first cycle.
2. Will be asking Dr. for: "Raloxifene" to get rid of gyno if it occurs.
3. I will probably get Nolvadex or Clomid just in case I'll have to come off or I will go straight to a TRT clinic for cruising. I do not have any serms on hand. Not worried about it.


Time for the good stuff


Protocol:

A. Pre-Cycle
BloodWork

B. Weeks 1-10
Test Cyp 500 mg
( This is a brand of T that came from a friend )

C. Week 6
Bloodwork
Introduce AI if needed

D. Weeks 11-18
Test E 500mg
( This is a brand from a different connect. )

E. Weeks 19-23...
Cruise on 150mg until next blast
Get Bloodwork checked
Adjust T dose based upon bloods


I also have questions regarding:

1. I keep seeing people recommended different blood tests. Uncapped female hormone test? Theres like 4 of that kind. Should all of my hormone tests includes prolactin and free test? Hard for a newbie to know what test to get when everyone recommends something different.
2. How to determine where my total test levels should be before, during, and on cruise.
3. Do I need to worry about every blood profile when on Cycle even though blood some profiles will certainly be out of range?
4. Do most of you guys get your AI's, HCG, and serms from your Dr?

 

[Eman]

How old are you?

Before you make the decision to cruise after your cycle, I would suggest finding out what your natural levels look like. There's really no point in TRT if you already have good natural test levels...

 

[FruitLoops]

How old are you?

Before you make the decision to cruise after your cycle, I would suggest finding out what your natural levels look like. There's really no point in TRT if you already have good natural test levels...

I have done enough research to come to the conclusion that cruising is the best option for me.

I am looking for answers to my questions posted above. Thank You

 

[Rival]

I have done enough research to come to the conclusion that cruising is the best option for me.

May I ask how you came to that conclusion? I ask because:

2. How to determine where my total test levels should be before, during, and on cruise.

It looks like you don’t have any testing. If you did your research you’d understand how important baselines are. @Eman can help you out, but you need to be willing to answer some questions as well. He’s been immensely helpful with others, so I wouldn’t shoot his questions down if you want a response to yours.

 

[Eman]

I have done enough research to come to the conclusion that cruising is the best option for me.

I am looking for answers to my questions posted above. Thank You

I don't want to run you down and harp on you, man. Do what you want. However, your post made it very clear that you have not done enough research to come to that conclusion. You've made the decision to commit to a lifetime of injections before you've gotten blood work or even do much as pinned yourself, does that not give you some pause?

For instance, let's explore question number 2 in your OP. Primarily, your pre-cycle TT levels. Let's assume you begin TRT post cycle and you take a dose that averages your TT at around 800ng/dl. Let's also say your natural TT level is 700 or even 800ng/dl to make this thought experiment easier. So now, you have a situation where you've managed to rely solely on synthetic testosterone for the rest of your life, but why? You are just giving yourself the same amount of testosterone that your body used to produce but now you have to deal with managing all of the other hormones that get thrown into disarray when you eliminate natural testosterone function.

All of your other questions can be answered with: "it depends". There isn't a single concrete answer that I can give you on those.. except maybe the female hormone panel, it's just the basic female hormone panel around $70.

Best of luck.

 

[FruitLoops]

I have done research. But all of the info for AAS is jumbled, hidden, and debated on.

Some people say do this. Some people say do that.

I am not here to argue with people.

I am here for help so I can limit the damage done to my body.

I have been researching AAS for months and I am focused on learning as much about bloodwork as possible.

If you guys are here to judge me more than help me ( as I have seen countless times with new people on every single AAS forum ) then please leave me alone. I am sure someone who is passionate with helping others will step in and guide me.

Like I said, if you can link me to as many bloodwork guides/protocols as you can that would mean the world to me.

I have visited several bloodwork guides on forums/reddit and they confuse me.

Please help, but do not waste your time or mine.

 

[FruitLoops]

Also. I have had TWO bloodwork tests done.

Bloodwork #1 :

TT: 410

Bloodwork # 2 :

TT: 650



I understand what you mean now that if the mid cycle blood test is similar to the baseline test in TT my dose is too low. Got it. That is valuable info to me. Thank You Very Much.

 

[FruitLoops]

Why have I chosen to blast and cruise?

I work in the modeling industry and cannot afford to have my hormones drop during a pct.

I have been watching several forums and seen how competitive bodybuilders cruise so they keep all of their gains and do not crash during a pct. I have heard numerous times avout horror stories even on perfect PCT protocols.


My income depends on my physique. I would like to keep my income coming in nicely.

I have been searching on this forum and others for bloodwork advice and I do not know which threads are valuable to me or just a waste of time.

That is why i am asking you guys.

I am blasting and cruising because bodybuilding is my JOB. INCOME. SALARY. MONEY. OKAY?

I have been lifting for 6 years. I know the dieting. Trust me.

Just please show me the way with bloodwork so I dont just pick random advice from a thread as I walk into this.

If youre going to just tell me " I have not done research" please fuck off. I have sat on my ass and spent hours on different threads and the info is always different.

I AM AN AAS NEWBIE. OF COURSE I DO NOT KNOW WHAT INFO IS CORRECT.

Someone who cares please read this and direct message me. I do not have time to waste. I have high dollar photoshoots coming up in a year and I need to look good for it.

I am starting my bike ride next month whether I am doing bloodwork correctly or not.

I will try to provide the best questions possible.

Hopefully this info I just provided is enough to give you insight as to why Im doing this.

Yes I have done research.

Yes I am confused.

No I will not waste my time and will continue to look for those who have a lot of exoerience with bloodwork.

 

[Eman]

2. How to determine where my total test levels should be before, during, and on cruise.

Precycle doesn't really matter if you're cruising.

On cycle is dose and user dependent. 10x dose in ng/dl is solid but seldom achieved.

I would want to see around 1000ng/dl personally, but I don't really get many sides even if I am on grams of test. If you are getting sides at 1000ng/dl, it's a zero sum game. Anywhere from 150-200mg is ideal to start at and see where your bloods are at.

3. Do I need to worry about every blood profile when on Cycle even though blood some profiles will certainly be out of range?

Not necessarily, but you need to be aware of where you stand with most of them. You can't have high cholesterol forever, high hemocrit, etc and get away with it. Keep in mind, some blood values might come back high regardless of AAS use... So sometimes you can take certain markers with a grain of salt given the context. But, keep an eye on how your blood values trend. You'll get an eye for what's what when you see where you're out of range.

4. Do most of you guys get your AI's, HCG, and serms from your Dr?

If you're being prescribed testosterone then you will be able to get AI and maybe HCG from a doc, unlikely to get SERMs though. Generally, I would say most get them from overseas pharmacists.

You don't know if PCT is a horror story for you until you try it. For the most part, I think it's highly overblown. I never lost much and I had low test levels to begin with. Not trying to talk you out of anything, just want you to be aware.

Hope this helps.

 

[FruitLoops]

@Eman

That helps out a lot!!

Its just that bloodwork scares the shit out of me because I am afraid I will choose the incorrect test and not have all the info I need.

Also - There is a shit ton of profiles to monitor and manage. Not like 1,2,3, or 4. Like 15+


So it is confusing to know what is okay to be outside the range and how long it can be outside the range for.

 

[Eman]

@Eman

That helps out a lot!!

Its just that bloodwork scares the shit out of me because I am afraid I will choose the incorrect test and not have all the info I need.

Also - There is a shit ton of profiles to monitor and manage. Not like 1,2,3, or 4. Like 15+


So it is confusing to know what is okay to be outside the range and how long it can be outside the range for.

Just post your bloodwork on the forum or cycle log and you will get helpful feedback. It's rare to see genuinely scary bloods.

For every test you get, it usually comes with a standard panel with RBC, WBC, glucose, etc. The hormone panel is a pretty small part of it actually. Having the same standard panel gets pretty repetitive and some of the markers are somewhat redundant. Cholesterol for instance is three lines itself, LDL, HDL and total. So it's not quite as involved as you might think, you just haven't seen enough of them to know that to expect yet.

You don't really want to see anything outside of the range but you will at some point. How high or low the marker is and how long you're willing to let it ride like that is just part of managing a cycle.