HCG And HPTA

[Stevo213]

I have been b&cing for about 2 years. Some blasts with hcg, some without. Over time the hcg stopped preventing atrophy. I suspect it was from low FSH.

I have decided to come off and did a blast of hcg 2000iu e3d for 15 days and got a response from my balls. They grew instantly! (I hadn't seen them in years!) . It is day 8 since my last shot and I started clomid on the first day, but only added nolva on day 5.

My balls have atrophied again since my last shot. My question is, when does nolva and clomid start stimulating the pituary? Does HCG have to completely clear the system before the serms kick in? Did my PCT blast fail? I used HCG throughout my last blast and cruises for the past year.

What I want to know now is do I attempt to re-blast hcg? Or just wait it out. I don't expect a smooth and fast recovery as I have been on for so long. My goal is restoration of my HPTA and fertility in the near future. I have been using testiclar size as an indicator - is this wrong?

Any help would be highly appreciated!

Gettjng bloods done next week

 

[master.on]

I have been b&cing for about 2 years. Some blasts with hcg, some without. Over time the hcg stopped preventing atrophy. I suspect it was from low FSH.

I have decided to come off and did a blast of hcg 2000iu e3d for 15 days and got a response from my balls. They grew instantly! (I hadn't seen them in years!) . It is day 8 since my last shot and I started clomid on the first day, but only added nolva on day 5.

My balls have atrophied again since my last shot. My question is, when does nolva and clomid start stimulating the pituary? Does HCG have to completely clear the system before the serms kick in? Did my PCT blast fail? I used HCG throughout my last blast and cruises for the past year.

What I want to know now is do I attempt to re-blast hcg? Or just wait it out. I don't expect a smooth and fast recovery as I have been on for so long. My goal is restoration of my HPTA and fertility in the near future. I have been using testiclar size as an indicator - is this wrong?

Any help would be highly appreciated!

Gettjng bloods done next week

Pituitary should easily restart making LH/FSH with some Nolva or Clomid, even with some Aromatase Inhibitor.

The problem is that despite enough LH/FSH, the testis may be slow to recover, i.e. testis won't make enough Test despite adequate LH/FSH or even HCG

So I'd say do some HCG 500 IU 2x/week + low dose Aromatase Inhibitor for 2-3 months to see if your balls regrow.

Doctor @Michael Scally MD posted a study showing that the pituitary never permanently athopies (in other words it ALWAYS recovers) from long term HCG use. Long term means several years.

After your balls regrow, a little Nolva should help reset the pituitary to make LH/FSH again.

Sources bash HCG as few sell it but
HCG makes your balls great again.

 

[Stevo213]

Thank you very much for your response.

I saw a response from HCG only when my system was clear of steroids so I blasted about 2000iu e3d for two weeks. It was only until I stopped the hcg that they started atrophying again. I guess my blood test tomorrow will show me where I stand.

Hypothetically speaking, if I don't decide to use HCG again after this last blast, will I still be able to recover? Or is HCG crucial in 'jump starting' your HPTA?

 

[Stevo213]

@Michael Scally MD what are your thoughts on the above?

 

[plisk]

The best case study in the literature I have seen they used very very very large dosages of HCG for 3 months (iirc, it was like 10k iu weekly first month, then 5k weekly for month, then 2k weekly for a month) to treat a young bodybuilder who had ASIH, got put on TRT, came off the TRT and went hypogonadal again.

after treatment he was eugonadal, and at the 30 month followup was still eugonadal. I think this speaks better than most pct reports on the internet where a person uses a tiny bit of hcg, a bit of nolva, a bit of clom, maybe an AI, gets off for a month and then you never get any accurate followup because they're back on the gear a month later. Such is the life of steroid use i guess.

 

[Nicolaus]

Interesting post

I assume there is no gold standard to the dosaging of HCG for an assured recovery, but would ... let's say for example... one takes hcg 250-500 iu two times a week for a year... Versus the same person taking 2000 iu two times a week for a year...

I wonder what the difference would be. Would both methods be effective? I've only seen studies where patients are administered large amounts of iu with success. Never seen a study of patients on low dose hcg. I'm wondering if the body responds to low dose long term hcg

 

[master.on]

Interesting post

I assume there is no gold standard to the dosaging of HCG for an assured recovery, but would ... let's say for example... one takes hcg 250-500 iu two times a week for a year... Versus the same person taking 2000 iu two times a week for a year...

I wonder what the difference would be. Would both methods be effective? I've only seen studies where patients are administered large amounts of iu with success. Never seen a study of patients on low dose hcg. I'm wondering if the body responds to low dose long term hcg

I'm pretty sure anyone would recover by using
HCG 500 IU 2x/week (total 1000 IU/w) for 6 months to a year
there are studies that show HCG as a really safe drug, used for years (10 years in some cases)
Just watch your Estrogen
in fact increasing Estrogen can be a GOOD sign as most people actually have LOW Estrogen (from low Testosterone as E is made from T)

 

[mercury]

do not pay a

I'm pretty sure anyone would recover by using
HCG 500 IU 2x/week (total 1000 IU/w) for 6 months to a year
there are studies that show HCG as a really safe drug, used for years (10 years in some cases)
Just watch your Estrogen
in fact increasing Estrogen can be a GOOD sign as most people actually have LOW Estrogen (from low Testosterone as E is made from T)

do you pay attention to master.on

he is pretty sure is he some fucking doctor ?

HCG is responsible for blood clots and the list is long (

• Swelling in the feet, ankles, lowers legs, or hands.
• Appearance of female breasts in men.

)

and he is saying that it is safe, I wonder where is he getting all the nonsense. I have not seen such a stupid fuck here in a long time

 

[master.on]

do not pay a


do you pay attention to master.on

he is pretty sure is he some fucking doctor ?

HCG is responsible for blood clots and the list is long (

• Swelling in the feet, ankles, lowers legs, or hands.
• Appearance of female breasts in men.

)

and he is saying that it is safe, I wonder where is he getting all the nonsense. I have not seen such a stupid fuck here in a long time

Blood clots almost always come from high Estrogen, not increased Testosterone or HCG itself.
https://www.nebido.com/risk-of-blood-clots-in-men-receiving-testosterone-therapy
and it is widely known that Estrogen should be monitored during HCG therapy.
If you CAREFULLY read my post you'll see I advised to check Estrogen.