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Low-dose hCG can prevent sterility in men prescribed testosterone​

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ByRegina Schaffer
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NEW ORLEANS — Low-dose human chorionic gonadotropin, or hCG, may preserve spermatogenesis in men with hypogonadism treated with intramuscular or transdermal testosterone replacement therapy, according to a speaker at the Androgen Society annual meeting.


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Larry I. Lipshultz
The estimated male population in their reproductive years is about 52 million in the United States, with the age of first-time fathers rising, and about 2.5 million of those men are estimated to have low testosterone, Larry I. Lipshultz, MD, a professor of urology and chief of the division of male reproductive medicine and surgery at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, said during a presentation. Intratesticular testosterone — typically 50 to 100 times higher than serum testosterone levels — is a prerequisite for normal sperm production in men; however, exogenous testosterone prescribed to men with hypogonadism suppresses the intratesticular testosterone level, impairing fertility.


“When one introduces exogenous testosterone, whether it is topical or injectable, what we see is [gonadotropin-releasing hormone] is turned off, gonadotropins decrease, and we see a corresponding decrease in testosterone within the testes and an associated turnoff of sperm production,” Lipshultz said. “A lot of what we know about this phenomenon comes from previous studies in male contraception using testosterone.”

hCG studies

Small studies suggest that men treated with testosterone who subsequently developed azoospermia experienced a recovery of spermatogenesis in about 4 months after discontinuing exogenous testosterone, regardless of the testosterone preparation, and initiating intramuscular hCG every other day, Lipshultz said. However, the studies were single-arm, observational and retrospective in nature, he added.


“We concluded that impairment of fertility following testosterone replacement therapy suppression is reversable, and the rate of sperm return appears unrelated to the [testosterone] delivery system,” Lipshultz said. “But, giving some type of stimulatory agent avoids the unwanted, severe hypogonadal symptoms these men would have experienced had they just suddenly stopped the testosterone.”

The findings, Lipshultz said, led researchers to question whether it was possible to prevent sterility in a man with hypogonadism who must use testosterone.

In a study published in 2005 in The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, Andrea D. Coviello, MD, a reproductive endocrinologist and practicing clinician and researcher at Boston University School of Medicine, and colleagues analyzed data from 29 men with normal reproductive physiology randomly assigned to 200 mg testosterone enanthate weekly in combination with saline placebo or 125 IU, 250 IU or 500 IU hCG every other day for 3 weeks. The researchers found that intratesticular testosterone increased linearly with increasing hCG dose, demonstrating that a relatively low dose of hCG maintains intratesticular testosterone within the normal range in healthy men with gonadotropin suppression, Lipshultz said.


“Without any hCG replacement ... there was literally no intratesticular testosterone, and then as hCG was given in a stepwise fashion, once it reached about 500 U, you were back to baseline [level],” Lipshultz said. “Using this data, and realizing that despite very high doses of testosterone, there were high levels of intratesticular testosterone maintained with low-dose hCG, we then asked whether this low-dose maintenance could also protect spermatogenesis during testosterone treatment.”

A small, prospective study indicated that may be true, Lipshultz said. In data from an abstract presented at the American Urological Association annual meeting in 2010, Lipshultz and colleagues analyzed data from 10 men prescribed intramuscular testosterone (n = 8) or transdermal testosterone (n = 2) along with 500 U intramuscular hCG every other day. Men underwent routine semen analyses throughout the study (mean follow-up, 4.5 months).


“Interestingly enough, no one became azoospermic,” Lipshultz said. “More importantly, using the patients as their own controls, we saw only a minimal decline in density at the end of the study period.”

In an expanded study assessing a larger population of 26 patients, results were similar, Lipshultz said. Low-dose hCG appeared to maintain sperm quality in men with hypogonadism using testosterone replacement therapy.

“Low-dose hCG may be beneficial for men in their reproductive years requiring testosterone replacement therapy,” Lipshultz said. “Longer follow-up is needed to determine whether this benefit is sustained both qualitatively and quantitatively.”


Strategy for clinicians

To maintain fertility in men with hypogonadism prescribed testosterone, Lipshultz said, clinicians should first insist on a semen analysis before beginning testosterone treatment.

“Patients need to realize that 2% of all men are sterile,” Lipshultz said. “We need to know where the individual is before we introduce testosterone because our endpoint may not be able to be any better than pre-treatment level.”

If the man desires a future pregnancy, the clinician should prescribe hCG concurrent with testosterone therapy, typically at 500 U subcutaneous three times per week or 1,500 U once weekly if the patient wishes only to prevent testicular atrophy. The patient should cycle off of testosterone twice yearly, at a rate of 3,000 U three times per week for 4 weeks, adding 25 mg daily clomiphene therapy during that period, Lipshultz said. However, for men desiring a pregnancy, 3,000 U hCG three times per week should be prescribed in addition to clomiphene therapy. Clinicians should check the patient’s follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) level and conduct a semen analysis after 4 months for men desiring pregnancy; if the FSH level is not sufficiently elevated, the clinician should discontinue clomiphene and instead introduce FSH concurrent with the hCG, he said.


“To date, we have not had any patients who did not return to baseline,” Lipshultz said, referring to the regimen. – by Regina Schaffer

References:

Lipshultz LI. Strategies for fertility preservation in men on testosterone therapy. Presented at: The Androgen Society 2nd Annual Meeting; March 21-22, 2019; New Orleans.
 
Implies that 500 iu EOD was best on trt to maintain fertility...

Seems high to me.

Defy had me on 300 every 3rd day.
 

Low-dose hCG can prevent sterility in men prescribed testosterone​

et.svg

ByRegina Schaffer
Source/Disclosures

NEW ORLEANS — Low-dose human chorionic gonadotropin, or hCG, may preserve spermatogenesis in men with hypogonadism treated with intramuscular or transdermal testosterone replacement therapy, according to a speaker at the Androgen Society annual meeting.


lipshultz_larry_2019web.jpg

Larry I. Lipshultz
The estimated male population in their reproductive years is about 52 million in the United States, with the age of first-time fathers rising, and about 2.5 million of those men are estimated to have low testosterone, Larry I. Lipshultz, MD, a professor of urology and chief of the division of male reproductive medicine and surgery at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, said during a presentation. Intratesticular testosterone — typically 50 to 100 times higher than serum testosterone levels — is a prerequisite for normal sperm production in men; however, exogenous testosterone prescribed to men with hypogonadism suppresses the intratesticular testosterone level, impairing fertility.


“When one introduces exogenous testosterone, whether it is topical or injectable, what we see is [gonadotropin-releasing hormone] is turned off, gonadotropins decrease, and we see a corresponding decrease in testosterone within the testes and an associated turnoff of sperm production,” Lipshultz said. “A lot of what we know about this phenomenon comes from previous studies in male contraception using testosterone.”

hCG studies

Small studies suggest that men treated with testosterone who subsequently developed azoospermia experienced a recovery of spermatogenesis in about 4 months after discontinuing exogenous testosterone, regardless of the testosterone preparation, and initiating intramuscular hCG every other day, Lipshultz said. However, the studies were single-arm, observational and retrospective in nature, he added.


“We concluded that impairment of fertility following testosterone replacement therapy suppression is reversable, and the rate of sperm return appears unrelated to the [testosterone] delivery system,” Lipshultz said. “But, giving some type of stimulatory agent avoids the unwanted, severe hypogonadal symptoms these men would have experienced had they just suddenly stopped the testosterone.”

The findings, Lipshultz said, led researchers to question whether it was possible to prevent sterility in a man with hypogonadism who must use testosterone.

In a study published in 2005 in The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, Andrea D. Coviello, MD, a reproductive endocrinologist and practicing clinician and researcher at Boston University School of Medicine, and colleagues analyzed data from 29 men with normal reproductive physiology randomly assigned to 200 mg testosterone enanthate weekly in combination with saline placebo or 125 IU, 250 IU or 500 IU hCG every other day for 3 weeks. The researchers found that intratesticular testosterone increased linearly with increasing hCG dose, demonstrating that a relatively low dose of hCG maintains intratesticular testosterone within the normal range in healthy men with gonadotropin suppression, Lipshultz said.


“Without any hCG replacement ... there was literally no intratesticular testosterone, and then as hCG was given in a stepwise fashion, once it reached about 500 U, you were back to baseline [level],” Lipshultz said. “Using this data, and realizing that despite very high doses of testosterone, there were high levels of intratesticular testosterone maintained with low-dose hCG, we then asked whether this low-dose maintenance could also protect spermatogenesis during testosterone treatment.”

A small, prospective study indicated that may be true, Lipshultz said. In data from an abstract presented at the American Urological Association annual meeting in 2010, Lipshultz and colleagues analyzed data from 10 men prescribed intramuscular testosterone (n = 8) or transdermal testosterone (n = 2) along with 500 U intramuscular hCG every other day. Men underwent routine semen analyses throughout the study (mean follow-up, 4.5 months).


“Interestingly enough, no one became azoospermic,” Lipshultz said. “More importantly, using the patients as their own controls, we saw only a minimal decline in density at the end of the study period.”

In an expanded study assessing a larger population of 26 patients, results were similar, Lipshultz said. Low-dose hCG appeared to maintain sperm quality in men with hypogonadism using testosterone replacement therapy.

“Low-dose hCG may be beneficial for men in their reproductive years requiring testosterone replacement therapy,” Lipshultz said. “Longer follow-up is needed to determine whether this benefit is sustained both qualitatively and quantitatively.”


Strategy for clinicians

To maintain fertility in men with hypogonadism prescribed testosterone, Lipshultz said, clinicians should first insist on a semen analysis before beginning testosterone treatment.

“Patients need to realize that 2% of all men are sterile,” Lipshultz said. “We need to know where the individual is before we introduce testosterone because our endpoint may not be able to be any better than pre-treatment level.”

If the man desires a future pregnancy, the clinician should prescribe hCG concurrent with testosterone therapy, typically at 500 U subcutaneous three times per week or 1,500 U once weekly if the patient wishes only to prevent testicular atrophy. The patient should cycle off of testosterone twice yearly, at a rate of 3,000 U three times per week for 4 weeks, adding 25 mg daily clomiphene therapy during that period, Lipshultz said. However, for men desiring a pregnancy, 3,000 U hCG three times per week should be prescribed in addition to clomiphene therapy. Clinicians should check the patient’s follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) level and conduct a semen analysis after 4 months for men desiring pregnancy; if the FSH level is not sufficiently elevated, the clinician should discontinue clomiphene and instead introduce FSH concurrent with the hCG, he said.


“To date, we have not had any patients who did not return to baseline,” Lipshultz said, referring to the regimen. – by Regina Schaffer

References:

Lipshultz LI. Strategies for fertility preservation in men on testosterone therapy. Presented at: The Androgen Society 2nd Annual Meeting; March 21-22, 2019; New Orleans.

Good to know. Always thought the lack of FSH was problematic for fertility.
 
I believe that was for someone wanting pregnancy ASAP but to maintain 100% intratesticular test, he rec 500 three times a week, while on trt

I'm aware.
I was just letting you know where All Nat McGee's comment was coming from.
 
I was doing 500iu 2x a week and got my wife pregnant on the first try. n=1. Thanks for posting this study, been taking 250iu 3x a week lately, probably will bump up to 333iu 3x next month (have 10k 3ml vials now)
 
Noticed a good recovery after long esters. When the steroid ester has not yet completely disintegrated. Connect 1000 hCG every 3 days. For 3-4 weeks. And after that use Clomid or Fareston
 
if you read deep the study of 2005 you will find that 500 eod bring intratesticular testosterone 26% higher then baseline and 250 eod 7% under baseline....500 eod is an average of 1750 ui week.
250 eod is an average of 875 week.
I think for this reason most trt clinic usually give 2 x 500 ui week.
 
The author suggests 1750 a week, that’s 500EOD
Other studies have shown that 125-250IU eod can have significant effects in maintaining sperm production but it depends on each person. It was also found that additional HMG as well as tamoxifen can be more helpful than HCG alone. & it worked for all participants in the study if they were not infertile before testosterone use.
 
I'd like to add my anecdotal report.

I restarted steroids 1.5 years ago, around July. I cruised on roughly 125mg and had one blast of 500mg test e, and in April the next year, I wanted to make sure I was fertile as my wife and I wanted to try for a baby. I started taking only 250iu EOD, and in October I got a sperm check as we still hadn't gotten pregnant by then, and my sperm was completely normal and healthy.

Obviously I hadn't checked my sperm before the HCG so it's not super relevant, but I know that my sperm was fine after taking only 250iu EOD for 6 months, after already being on gear for 9 months prior with no HCG.
 
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