the drug profile sections says about HCG:
"It therefore is useful for maintaining testosterone production and/or testicle size during a steroid cycle. Use of this drug in the taper is rather counterproductive, since the resulting increased testosterone production is itself inhibitory to the hypothalamus and pituitary, delaying recovery. Thus, if this drug is used, it is preferably used during the cycle itself. A daily amount of 500 IU is generally sufficient, and in my opinion usage should not exceed 1000 IU per day."
But interestingly, reading here in the forum so far, I get the idea most guys prefer to post cycle it.
Any thoughts from those who have tried?
And secondarily, I notice most guys talk about HCG on an ED basis, but I found this on the web which seems to indicate HCG won't really desensitize you to Lutenizing hormone:
"6000 I.U. of HCG in a single injection resulted in elevated testosterone levels for six days after the injection. At a dosage of 1500 I.U. the pharmatestosterone level increases by 250-300% (2.5-3fold) com-pared to the initial value. The athlete should inject one HCG ampule every 5 days. Since the testosterone level remains considerably elevated for several days, it is unnecessary to inject HCG more than once every 5 days. The effective dosage for ath-letes is usually 2000-5000 I.U. per injection and should-as al-ready mentioned-be injected every 5 days. HCG should only be taken for a few weeks. If HCG is taken by male athletes over many weeks and in high dosages, it is possible that the testes will respond poorly to a later HCG intake and a release of the body's own LH. This could result in a permanent inadequate gonadal function. "
And then finally, anyone care to comment on taking HCG DURING a cycle? Is the problem increased sides as stated below??
"HCG can in part cause side effects similar to those of injectable testosterone. A higher testosterone production also goes hand in hand with an elevated estrogen level which could result in gynecomastia. This could manifest itself in a temporary growth of breasts or reinforce already existing breast growth in men. Farsighted athletes thus combine HCG with an antiestrogen. "
This part confused me somewhat. I thought Clomid WAS an anti-estrogen... yet here it says:
"Athletes who have already increased their endogenous test-osterone level by taking Clomid and intend subsequently to take HCG could experience considerable water retention and distinct feminization symptoms (gynecomastia, tendency toward fat de-posits on the hips). This is due to the fact that high testosterone leads to a high conversion rate to estrogens. In very young ath-letes HCG, like anabolic steroids, can cause an early stunting of growth since it prematurely closes the epiphysial growth plates. Mood swings and high blood pressure can also be attributed to the intake of HCG."
I thougth clomid reduced estrogen levels, and was planning on using it in small doses during my cycle, and then beefing it up to 50 ED for 10 days PCT.
Is the point here that Clomid was used in high doses ALONE? (causing an increase in test production via interrupting the pituitary's normal feedback look, stealing estrogen the gland normally reads to determine Test levels?)
Ah yes, there is no end to the screwed up things one can read and then conclude... the site I got this from is anabolicreview.com
"It therefore is useful for maintaining testosterone production and/or testicle size during a steroid cycle. Use of this drug in the taper is rather counterproductive, since the resulting increased testosterone production is itself inhibitory to the hypothalamus and pituitary, delaying recovery. Thus, if this drug is used, it is preferably used during the cycle itself. A daily amount of 500 IU is generally sufficient, and in my opinion usage should not exceed 1000 IU per day."
But interestingly, reading here in the forum so far, I get the idea most guys prefer to post cycle it.
Any thoughts from those who have tried?
And secondarily, I notice most guys talk about HCG on an ED basis, but I found this on the web which seems to indicate HCG won't really desensitize you to Lutenizing hormone:
"6000 I.U. of HCG in a single injection resulted in elevated testosterone levels for six days after the injection. At a dosage of 1500 I.U. the pharmatestosterone level increases by 250-300% (2.5-3fold) com-pared to the initial value. The athlete should inject one HCG ampule every 5 days. Since the testosterone level remains considerably elevated for several days, it is unnecessary to inject HCG more than once every 5 days. The effective dosage for ath-letes is usually 2000-5000 I.U. per injection and should-as al-ready mentioned-be injected every 5 days. HCG should only be taken for a few weeks. If HCG is taken by male athletes over many weeks and in high dosages, it is possible that the testes will respond poorly to a later HCG intake and a release of the body's own LH. This could result in a permanent inadequate gonadal function. "
And then finally, anyone care to comment on taking HCG DURING a cycle? Is the problem increased sides as stated below??
"HCG can in part cause side effects similar to those of injectable testosterone. A higher testosterone production also goes hand in hand with an elevated estrogen level which could result in gynecomastia. This could manifest itself in a temporary growth of breasts or reinforce already existing breast growth in men. Farsighted athletes thus combine HCG with an antiestrogen. "
This part confused me somewhat. I thought Clomid WAS an anti-estrogen... yet here it says:
"Athletes who have already increased their endogenous test-osterone level by taking Clomid and intend subsequently to take HCG could experience considerable water retention and distinct feminization symptoms (gynecomastia, tendency toward fat de-posits on the hips). This is due to the fact that high testosterone leads to a high conversion rate to estrogens. In very young ath-letes HCG, like anabolic steroids, can cause an early stunting of growth since it prematurely closes the epiphysial growth plates. Mood swings and high blood pressure can also be attributed to the intake of HCG."
I thougth clomid reduced estrogen levels, and was planning on using it in small doses during my cycle, and then beefing it up to 50 ED for 10 days PCT.
Is the point here that Clomid was used in high doses ALONE? (causing an increase in test production via interrupting the pituitary's normal feedback look, stealing estrogen the gland normally reads to determine Test levels?)
Ah yes, there is no end to the screwed up things one can read and then conclude... the site I got this from is anabolicreview.com
