HCG to raise E2

[Nfg2023]

Currently have 5 weeks left in a test/primo/mast cycle - 200T/500P/300M. I’ve been using HCG at 850iu EOD to keep my e2 in check because I don’t do well with test dosages above 200mg/week (explanation below). E2 is sitting at 11pg/mL, which I’m good with but is there a better way to raise e2? I know if I stopped the hcg my e2 would crash hard. I guess I could add exogenous estrogen but I don’t currently have a source for that and wouldn’t really know how to dose it.

Reason for not doing higher test is due to irritability. For some reason taking higher test I become an asshole and I haven’t found a way to fix that. Tried ashwaganda, meditation, walking barefoot outside, quite a bit of different things. But if anyone has any experience/suggestions on how to fix this please let me know. Thank you in advance!

 

[ChemHead]

Are you experiencing negative effects from your current E2 level? You could probably just use transdermal E2 to get it up tbh. The only other way you're going to get E2 up is if you back off the mast and primo or take something to try to increase aromatase activity. Increasing cAMP will cause a number of steroidogenic enzymes to increase, including aromatase. Forskolin is able to increase cAMP so that might be worth a try. Kaempferol is a polyphenol/flavanol that is also able to increase cAMP. It will also increase expression of type 2 deiodinase to increase metabolism of T4 to T3.

Have you tried lowering your T dose and just taking a higher dose of hCG? That may be the simplest solution tbh.

 

[Eddie.]

Why using a compount like primo which is notorious for reducing estradiol if you don't want to raise test? All this seems pointless to me.. You could simply drop primo and replace the dose with masteron and probably be ok. Many guys run low test high mast.

 

[Nfg2023]

Are you experiencing negative effects from your current E2 level? You could probably just use transdermal E2 to get it up tbh. The only other way you're going to get E2 up is if you back off the mast and primo or take something to try to increase aromatase activity. Increasing cAMP will cause a number of steroidogenic enzymes to increase, including aromatase. Forskolin is able to increase cAMP so that might be worth a try. Kaempferol is a polyphenol/flavanol that is also able to increase cAMP. It will also increase expression of type 2 deiodinase to increase metabolism of T4 to T3.

Have you tried lowering your T dose and just taking a higher dose of hCG? That may be the simplest solution tbh.

This is super interesting. I never thought about increasing aromatase. I’m going to dig into this and see what I can find.

I haven’t tried lowering the T and just doing HCG. But that’s also a really good idea. Thank you!

 

[Nfg2023]

Why using a compount like primo which is notorious for reducing estradiol if you don't want to raise test? All this seems pointless to me.. You could simply drop primo and replace the dose with masteron and probably be ok. Many guys run low test high mast.

I wanted to see how I reacted to it. Like some people lose hair but I haven’t. The reason I chose more primo over mast was because from what I’ve read it’s more anabolic. But I’ve also read it’s all individual so I guess I’m trying to see what works best for me. I introduced primo first and then mast. Both lower my e2, but also have almost no effect on the rest of my bloodwork. But next time probably replace 1 with deca or something not dht. But thank you for your input.

 

[mknodc13]

I wanted to see how I reacted to it. Like some people lose hair but I haven’t. The reason I chose more primo over mast was because from what I’ve read it’s more anabolic.

Hey how did this work out for you? Did you continue the "850iu EOD"?

 

[Nfg2023]

Hey how did this work out for you? Did you continue the "850iu EOD"?

I did. It worked and kept my e2 at around 18. Going to structure it differently next time though to avoid this.

 

[mknodc13]

I did. It worked and kept my e2 at around 18. Going to structure it differently next time though to avoid this.

My ratios are different, but my test/primo combo has me sitting at 10 e2. 20ish seems to be my happy spot. I suspect it went lower than 10 because this week was full blown crashed e2 hell. A couple days of 1000 HCG seems to have done the trick. I think I’ll run 500 - 850 eod for the remainder of my cycle (4 weeks). Anyway, thanks for the info.

 

[UncleBuns]

Lower your primo dosage and/or add a compound that aromatizes or is neutral on E2 if you want to keep the same mg per week. HCG will only raise E2 some and varies by person. Could add low dose Dianabol maybe but that's getting way more complicated than just lowering E2.

Test makes you more agro than mast?

 

[Nfg2023]

My ratios are different, but my test/primo combo has me sitting at 10 e2. 20ish seems to be my happy spot. I suspect it went lower than 10 because this week was full blown crashed e2 hell. A couple days of 1000 HCG seems to have done the trick. I think I’ll run 500 - 850 eod for the remainder of my cycle (4 weeks). Anyway, thanks for the info.

Keep me updated on how it goes. Glad the HCG helped.

 

[mknodc13]

Lower your primo dosage and/or add a compound that aromatizes or is neutral on E2 if you want to keep the same mg per week. HCG will only raise E2 some and varies by person.

I lowered my primo a little. I’m still trying to find the exact dose & frequency that does it, but I think I’m finding out that too much HCG gives me the spicy nips. Maybe it’s just the hormone fluctuation. Time will tell I guess.

 

[UncleBuns]

I lowered my primo a little. I’m still trying to find the exact dose & frequency that does it, but I think I’m finding out that too much HCG gives me the spicy nips. Maybe it’s just the hormone fluctuation. Time will tell I guess.

With an E2 of 11 it is very unlikely you will get any nipple sensitivity or gyno that is E2 related. Drop Primo to at least 250 and substitute something else if you want to keep total mg's the same. Exchange mast for the dropped primo is simple, cheaper, and effective.

 

[mknodc13]

With an E2 of 11 it is very unlikely you will get any nipple sensitivity or gyno that is E2 related. Drop Primo to at least 250 and substitute something else if you want to keep total mg's the same. Exchange mast for the dropped primo is simple, cheaper, and effective.

I kind of hijacked OPs thread. OP was running test/primo/mast. I’m just running test/primo, which is now at 400/125 down from 400/200.

 

[UncleBuns]

I kind of hijacked OPs thread. OP was running test/primo/mast. I’m just running test/primo, which is now at 400/125 down from 400/200.

Oh, I got mixed up there.

 

[Nfg2023]

I kind of hijacked OPs thread. OP was running test/primo/mast. I’m just running test/primo, which is now at 400/125 down from 400/200.

I plan to add in NPP at a lower dose instead of mast next. Should make things better I hope