Hcg

[swiftarrow]

LOL....no, no, no, you put the HCG on the EPT kit, not your urine. That is interesting that your urine tested negative though. I wonder what kind of dosing it would take to get a positive test with your own urine....if that's even possible.

What a misunderstanding! I checked my urine with the EPT kit several hours after giving myself an HCG injection, and the test was negative. I didn't add HCG direcly to my urine! I assume that placing HCG directly on to the EPT strip would yield a positive result...but a negative result would suggest that APP HCG is a total sham.

 

[mranak]

I think I am going to have to rethink my position that "HCG is HCG". Too much anecdotal evidence to the contrary.

I think there is evidence to question the situation, but I don't think we yet have enough information to make a solid conclusion ... although you may have more data than we do. pmgamer18 and I both use the APP hCG, but on the other hand, we are both relatively new to hCG. I for one have never used the name-brand stuff. I don't get the feeling of well being from my hCG, but on the other hand, I don't seem to notice day to day benefits from TRT. I notice the effects month-to-month. I seem to be the oddball.

I don't think you need to the I was sent a generic for Novarel by MedcoHealth.

Actually, the Novarel brand is considered a generic in the US. One guy told me my APP hCG vials look just like the Novarel vials, so they might even be from the same place, but I do not know.

When I called them they told me that it does not work good for a lot of men on TRT.

The Novarel brand or hCG in general?

After all it is a synthetic.

No, it isn't. hCG is extracted from the urine of pregnant women. It is not manufactuered.

 

[stat1951]

Yes $10 more for a total of $15 for 6 boxs. Yes try it when I talke to them they told me it does not work for a lot of men.
Phil

Somewhat confused here....

When you talked to "WHO", they told you that it (what the APP brand?) does not work for a lot of men???

Are you saying that the people at MedCo told you that the APP brand does not work for a lot of men?

I too use MedCo as my prescription provider. If they are supplying a generic (*) that doesn't work then complaints should be filed with MedCo to have that product removed from their stocks!

Larry

(*) BTW, it is my understanding that the Novarel brand is also a generic brand. Is MedCo treating it as a name brand?

P.S. And what is the bottom line here... are their natural forms of HcG and also synthetic forms? Phil, where did you get your information that yours (I'm assuming the APP brand) was a "synthetic"???

 

[pmgamer18]

Somewhat confused here....

When you talked to "WHO", they told you that it (what the APP brand?) does not work for a lot of men???

Are you saying that the people at MedCo told you that the APP brand does not work for a lot of men?

I too use MedCo as my prescription provider. If they are supplying a generic (*) that doesn't work then complaints should be filed with MedCo to have that product removed from their stocks!

Larry

(*) BTW, it is my understanding that the Novarel brand is also a generic brand. Is MedCo treating it as a name brand?

P.S. And what is the bottom line here... are their natural forms of HcG and also synthetic forms? Phil, where did you get your information that yours (I'm assuming the APP brand) was a "synthetic"???

Yes that is what I am saying MedcoHealth told me that the Generic to Novarel was what they sent me made by APP. I asked them why it is not working for me like the Novarel did and they told me because it is a Generic and a synthetic HCG and does not work for a lot of men with Low T to bring up there T levels.
Phil

 

[pmgamer18]

Yes that is what I am saying MedcoHealth told me that the Generic to Novarel was what they sent me made by APP. I asked them why it is not working for me like the Novarel did and they told me because it is a Generic and a synthetic HCG and does not work for a lot of men with Low T to bring up there T levels.
Phil

Forgot to say that the first 2 boxs I did of HCG were Novarel and doing this brought my levels way up. I can get up to 3 scripts from any drug store and after that I need to get the meds from MedcoHealth. Medcohealth did not send me what my Dr. wrote the script for they sent me a Generic made by APP.
Phil

 

[stat1951]

OK Phil, thanks for the clarification....

Anyone have any feedback from what MedCo was telling Phil?

Is the APP brand a "synthetic"? Are both the APP brand AND Novarel brand considered generic brands (that was my understanding)?

Thanks for any info!

Larry

 

[mranak]

The G to the right means generic.

The APP hCG wasn't around for a long time and at that time, people seemed to always get Novarel for the generic equivalent. And it seems that the Novarel stuff used to actualyl be made by APP back then. But now APP offers their hCG more directly and that use the generic name right on the box. It is unusual to have a brand-name for a generic, like in the case of Novarel, so people seem to be getting the non-Novarel hCG now that is simply labeled 'chorionic gonadotropin.'

hCG is not synthetic. I am sure of this.

 

[stat1951]

Forgot to say that the first 2 boxs I did of HCG were Novarel and doing this brought my levels way up. I can get up to 3 scripts from any drug store and after that I need to get the meds from MedcoHealth. Medcohealth did not send me what my Dr. wrote the script for they sent me a Generic made by APP.
Phil

Phil, here's what MedCo's web site lists:

Brand Name Example(s):

Pregnyl Powder for injection: 10,000 units/vial RX
Contains benzyl alcohol as a preservative.

Profasi Powder for injection: 5000 and 10,000 units/vial RX
Contains benzyl alcohol as a preservative.

Active Ingredient:

Chorionic Gonadotropin

Type of Drug:

This hormone (HCG) is normally produced by the human placenta. HCG has different uses in men and women. In men, this drug stimulates the sex glands, specifically the cells in the testicles to stimulate their growth and production of androgens. Androgens then cause the development of male secondary sexual characteristics...

That's the only two that they specify as BRAND NAMES....

Now when I look up Novarel, it pretty much says the same thing and doesn't call Novarel as a generic. Interestingly MedCo treats Novarel as a brand name as their price for Novarel is $120 yearly when obtained in their 90-day plan program ($30 each 90-day time period), while they offer a generic substitute known as "Chor Gonadot Pwd/Inj W/Dil" (probably what you got marketed by APP) for only $40 annually or $10 each 90-day period.... I did a spot comparison with Profasi and it is priced just like Novarel, so obviously they are treating Novarel as a name brand.... (these prices are comparing 10,,,IU for a 90-day period just simply so identical comparison would be given....

Also here's something else that's interesting.

Novarel is listed as "Powder for Injection, Lyophilized... " None of the others mention "Lyophilized", not even the two name brands. Could that be Novarel's big difference? Anyone know what that term means?

Larry

 

[pmgamer18]

It looks like Novarel was made by APP for Ferring Pharmacuticals and the first 2 boxs I used were the Novarel made by APP and lasted 60 days after mixing. The 3rd box of Novarel I got 2 days ago says that it is made for Ferring Pharmacuticals by Steris Laboratories and only lasts 30 days after mixing. So now I feel this 3rd. box is not the same as the first 2 I used that got my levels way up.

The first script my Dr. wrote me was not for a Generic it was for Pregnyl or Profasi. When I went to the drug store they did not have them all they had was Novarel so I took the Novarel.

There are too many changes going on here for me and when I see my Dr. I am getting a script for Pregnyl or Profasi. I still don't know If the dose I was on has me desensitized. And if I am what do you do for it.
Phil