HCG?!

[ProteinPorridge]

Whilst finding any excuse to do anything other than my work i read this on a forum

"I strongly advise AGAINST using HCG with your cycle. Many bodybuilders are under the incorrect misconception that HCG usage will help them recover post cycle or keep testicular shrinkage to a minimum while on cycle. I am not sure where this misconception came from but it is very incorrect. HCG is extracted from pregnant female urine. You read that correctly. It is a form of estrogen and causes estrogen levels to rise. High estrogen levels can lead to gynecomastia, increased body fat levels and water retention.

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anyone else have any info on this?

 

[OmL]

Once upon a time that’s where it was gotten from yes. But it’s synthesised now. Our body recognises it as LH and that makes us make our own testosterone and keep our testicles active. The way it could elevate our estrogen is that it’s pure testosterone and it’s fairly quick to aromatise.

 

[ProteinPorridge]

Once upon a time that’s where it was gotten from yes. But it’s synthesised now. Our body recognises it as LH and that makes us make our own testosterone and keep our testicles active. The way it could elevate our estrogen is that it’s pure testosterone and it’s fairly quick to aromatise.

Cheers for info man its appreciated.

 

[PeterBond]

hCG is NOT a form of estrogen. Pregnyl is extracted from the urine from pregnant women, but that simply doesn't make it estrogen. It is a hormone that binds to, and activates, the same receptor as LH and thereby stimulates testosterone production by the Leydig cells of the testes.

Besides Pregnyl, most hCG products on the market (and presumambly all underground ones) are recombinant in nature, meaning they aren't extracted and purified from pregnant women's urine. Here's an excerpt from my book, Book on Steroids, about hCG:



HCGenerate is a crap supplement that doesn't do anything.

 

[ProteinPorridge]

hCG is NOT a form of estrogen. Pregnyl is extracted from the urine from pregnant women, but that simply doesn't make it estrogen. It is a hormone that binds to, and activates, the same receptor as LH and thereby stimulates testosterone production by the Leydig cells of the testes.

Besides Pregnyl, most hCG products on the market (and presumambly all underground ones) are recombinant in nature, meaning they aren't extracted and purified from pregnant women's urine. Here's an excerpt from my book, Book on Steroids, about hCG:
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HCGenerate is a crap supplement that doesn't do anything.

Thankyou for such a descriptive answer, I may have to purchase your book if its more of the same high quality info

 

[PeterBond]

Thankyou for such a descriptive answer, I may have to purchase your book if its more of the same high quality info

The whole book is choke-full of great info, with over 500 references to the scientific literature. But, of course, as its author I'm biased.

 

[ProteinPorridge]

The whole book is choke-full of great info, with over 500 references to the scientific literature. But, of course, as its author I'm biased.

Sounds good to me, ill get a copy and share my thoughts on how useful I found it. Thanks again for commenting its appreciated

 

[Cherokee]

The whole book is choke-full of great info, with over 500 references to the scientific literature. But, of course, as its author I'm biased.

I tried to get your book at my local library in the USA, not available. Also they tried to locate it through the inter-library loan program that searches all libraries in the USA.... not available anywhere in the USA.

 

[PeterBond]

I tried to get your book at my local library in the USA, not available. Also they tried to locate it through the inter-library loan program that searches all libraries in the USA.... not available anywhere in the USA.

Yes, I have self-published it. It's only available at Order Book on Steroids and a Dutch platform similar to Amazon (Bol.com). It's available as an ebook (PDF, epub, mobi (Kindle)), and as a paperback (also ships to the USA).

 

[GrindMasta]

So what hcg protocol would you advise on cycle? Say test only cycle. 12-16 weeks

 

[Type-IIx]

So what hcg protocol would you advise on cycle? Say test only cycle. 12-16 weeks

From Peter Bond's Article:
Anabolic Steroids and Fertility - MESO-Rx

The use of hCG has been found to maintain some spermatogenesis, albeit at a lower level than normal. The addition of FSH (either directly or as a part of hMG) is required to fully preserve spermatogenesis. The dosage required to optimally maintain spermatogenesis on hCG alone during an anabolic steroid cycle is not completely clear. Given the important role of intratesticular testosterone in maintaining spermatogenesis, one might argue that a dosage that sustains this also optimally sustains spermatogenesis. As such, one might arrive at a dosage around 250 IU every other day. However, (controlled) clinical trials directly evaluating the impact on spermatogenesis with suppression of gonadotropins have all used markedly higher dosages. Evidence from retrospective trials suggests that 500 to 2500 IU twice weekly might be sufficient. Ideally, one tests their sperm to see what works for them. Bear in mind that the entire process of spermatogenesis and the subsequent appearance of sperm in the ejaculate can take up to roughly 3 months. Changes in therapy thus might require at least 3 months for their effects to be reflected in sperm analysis.

 

[Deezznutzz]

Yes, I have self-published it. It's only available at Order Book on Steroids and a Dutch platform similar to Amazon (Bol.com). It's available as an ebook (PDF, epub, mobi (Kindle)), and as a paperback (also ships to the USA).

I have been taking HCG prescribed by my trt clinic and they are saying it is going to be illegal February 17th. So no more HCG. They marketed as higher sperm volume and increased limbido. Is this just a bunch of crap? I was thinking about just doing only trt because now they're pushing some gonadorelin stuff and I'm wondering if all of this is just a way for them to make more money.

 

[TrenTrenTren]

I have been taking HCG prescribed by my trt clinic and they are saying it is going to be illegal February 17th. So no more HCG. They marketed as higher sperm volume and increased limbido. Is this just a bunch of crap? I was thinking about just doing only trt because now they're pushing some gonadorelin stuff and I'm wondering if all of this is just a way for them to make more money.

I haven't been able to get HCG from my clinic for months because there is a "nationwide shortage" they said. Who knows.

 

[Deezznutzz]

I haven't been able to get HCG from my clinic for months because there is a "nationwide shortage" they said. Who knows.

Yeah February 17th they make it illegal in the US to prescribe that's probably why the shortage happened everybody's been buying it up I guess if you can still find some somewhere before the 17th you can buy it legally with a prescription

 

[ManK]

Personally i discover that i have lower estrogen using hcg monotherapy instead trt. And also, using hcg monotherapy i have lower hct levels.

 

[1tank1]

hCG is NOT a form of estrogen. Pregnyl is extracted from the urine from pregnant women, but that simply doesn't make it estrogen. It is a hormone that binds to, and activates, the same receptor as LH and thereby stimulates testosterone production by the Leydig cells of the testes.

Besides Pregnyl, most hCG products on the market (and presumambly all underground ones) are recombinant in nature, meaning they aren't extracted and purified from pregnant women's urine. Here's an excerpt from my book, Book on Steroids, about hCG:
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HCGenerate is a crap supplement that doesn't do anything.

What's your view on HMG? Whether at the same time as HCG or used separately. Do you think one is better than the other for steroid users?

 

[TrenTrenTren]

Yeah February 17th they make it illegal in the US to prescribe that's probably why the shortage happened everybody's been buying it up I guess if you can still find some somewhere before the 17th you can buy it legally with a prescription

Great. More fucking stupidity from our government.

 

[MrGTO]

Next thing you know anything that is good for you that big pharma doesn’t control will be illegal.

 

[Deezznutzz]

They're saying because the FDA classified it with blood in urine. So it's illegal to ship those kind of medications so they're making it illegal as of February 17th

 

[1tank1]

Sounds like we are all getting fucked by our governments now over steroids and prescription drugs. Doesn't matter if you're UK, USA, EU. It's all the same bullshit.