Help figuring out AI

[ChevChelios]

So I’m sure this has been asked before n I did search it but my question is a bit different or idk didn’t seem to find it on the search.

I know that all of this stuff is extremely subjective so I’m not asking for dosages (as those would be different per person) but as a guy who never used an AI n who is doing his first proper blast I wanted to ask a couple things:

Firstly I seem to be medium when it comes to aromatisation (I had some pubertal gyno but it’s always been the same even after I started AAS), bloodwork says e2 is in range but that’s the bloodwork I did when doing my TRT/cruise dosage not this one I am doing now (plus I wasn’t taking dbol on top of that either, another reason why I know I need an AI on hand) n I won’t do a new one for at least a month or something like that, my question is how do I assess when to actually take the AI? I know the spicy nips thing but are there any other specific things that indicate your e2 is goin a bit high? I’m definitely not gonna be dosing preemptively as I don’t want to take it if I don’t have to but at the same time I seem to deal with higher e2 rather well (apart from water retention n sometimes taking way too long to but, but maybe that’s just me taking too long to nut ahah) so it’s hard to tell when it’s getting to a point where it should be kept in check, if y’all have any tips they would be much appreciated!

The second thing is I have arimidex otw (pharma from my TRT provider, which is good cos I prefer the idea of breaking pills than having to divide fkin powder from a UGL capsule), I know many of you prefer aromasin due to it being weaker but I didn’t have much choice if I wanted pharma plus from what I’ve read adex goes in n out of your system way quicker which is probably better as one doesn’t want to risk crashin e2 n then having to wait days for it to come back (that or having to pop a couple dbol to rebalance everything ahah), any tips on stuff y’all felt with adex? As in any interactions with other stuff, side effects I should watch for, etc…?

Sorry for the lengthy post but I’m at work n didn’t notice the length til later

 

[Sector]

When your nips start getting sensitive, and you start bloating and holding more water (especially in your face), you'll know its probably time to take the AI.

What blast are you running? depending on the compounds and dosages, it will determine the frequency of the AI. Say you're running high test and dbol, your definitely going to have some massive estrogen spikes.

Could also be helpful to have nolvadex on hand, if you don't necesarily want to take an AI to reduce estrogen, but you feel you are on the higher end of the estrogen range, nolva can keep estrogen from binding to the receptor. Nolva doesn't actually reduce estrogen, therefore you can't crash your estrogen with nolvadex, but it does prevent estrogen from binding, which can be helpful in cycles that cause massive aromatization. Or, in the unfortunate case you do start to develop some gyno, nolva + an AI can instantly nuke it, especially if you catch it fast

 

[jJjburton]

So I’m sure this has been asked before n I did search it but my question is a bit different or idk didn’t seem to find it on the search.

I know that all of this stuff is extremely subjective so I’m not asking for dosages (as those would be different per person) but as a guy who never used an AI n who is doing his first proper blast I wanted to ask a couple things:

Firstly I seem to be medium when it comes to aromatisation (I had some pubertal gyno but it’s always been the same even after I started AAS), bloodwork says e2 is in range but that’s the bloodwork I did when doing my TRT/cruise dosage not this one I am doing now (plus I wasn’t taking dbol on top of that either, another reason why I know I need an AI on hand) n I won’t do a new one for at least a month or something like that, my question is how do I assess when to actually take the AI? I know the spicy nips thing but are there any other specific things that indicate your e2 is goin a bit high? I’m definitely not gonna be dosing preemptively as I don’t want to take it if I don’t have to but at the same time I seem to deal with higher e2 rather well (apart from water retention n sometimes taking way too long to but, but maybe that’s just me taking too long to nut ahah) so it’s hard to tell when it’s getting to a point where it should be kept in check, if y’all have any tips they would be much appreciated!

The second thing is I have arimidex otw (pharma from my TRT provider, which is good cos I prefer the idea of breaking pills than having to divide fkin powder from a UGL capsule), I know many of you prefer aromasin due to it being weaker but I didn’t have much choice if I wanted pharma plus from what I’ve read adex goes in n out of your system way quicker which is probably better as one doesn’t want to risk crashin e2 n then having to wait days for it to come back (that or having to pop a couple dbol to rebalance everything ahah), any tips on stuff y’all felt with adex? As in any interactions with other stuff, side effects I should watch for, etc…?

Sorry for the lengthy post but I’m at work n didn’t notice the length til later

Pinning ED, borderline negates any need for an AI. On 1 week pins i get gyno, on ED pins my gyno has shrunk. This is from gyno from 15 years ago too.

ED pins is really great if aromatization is a problem.

 

[ChevChelios]

When your nips start getting sensitive, and you start bloating and holding more water (especially in your face), you'll know its probably time to take the AI.

What blast are you running? depending on the compounds and dosages, it will determine the frequency of the AI. Say you're running high test and dbol, your definitely going to have some massive estrogen spikes.

Could also be helpful to have nolvadex on hand, if you don't necesarily want to take an AI to reduce estrogen, but you feel you are on the higher end of the estrogen range, nolva can keep estrogen from binding to the receptor. Nolva doesn't actually reduce estrogen, therefore you can't crash your estrogen with nolvadex, but it does prevent estrogen from binding, which can be helpful in cycles that cause massive aromatization. Or, in the unfortunate case you do start to develop some gyno, nolva + an AI can instantly nuke it, especially if you catch it fast

Word tbh I’m just doing a ramping up basic test n dbol/var cycle (I say ramping up cos I was taking 120mg test a week as a start n now I’m doing 200/300/400 just taking my time to get used to each dosage in case there’s any sides like that I know what is what) I know one should just jump at 500 but since I was gaining even from 120 I wanted to milk each lil extra amount n I’m not cycling so I don’t really need to do something in a specific amount of time (I do want to but I mean that I don’t have the specific 12/20 week thing where I gotta milk everything as much as possible, I wanna just keep on blasting n cruising so that’s why I’m figuring out dosages this way). Currently I’m doing 300 test n DBol pre workout only but when I get my AI I will try to up the dose on that as I’ve been cautious with it due to all the e2 shit it can cause.

As for nolva I don’t have any on hand but could probably acquire it if necessary, I just know the AI is something more essential to have around for most AAS related things so was focused on that first (I can get that pharma like I do some of my test while the nolva imma have to hit up the UGL or try one of em shady ass websites that sell sarms n shit but idk which one of em to trust tbh, seems like places like amino or receptorchem be selectively scamming or doing weird shit so imma have to do some more research)

Either way the general plan is to go for another week at 300 test n then bump it to 400 stay on that for a month while upping the dbol n then figure it out from there depending on a couple other things (for example might add in primo later on n that would be great as it would act as a mild AI while being an extra anabolic but for now it’s just the basics).

I do definitely have a good amount of water retention goin on but idk how much of it is estrogenic n how much it’s just test plus some of what I eat, no spicy nips but do get weirdly randomly emotional over dumb shit so that’s also why I was asking ahah

 

[ChevChelios]

Pinning ED, borderline negates any need for an AI. On 1 week pins i get gyno, on ED pins my gyno has shrunk. This is from gyno from 15 years ago too.

ED pins is really great if aromatization is a problem.

Hmmm I’m currently doing 2x a week n was gonna switch to 3x so I can do 300 properly n also due to having done similar research regarding aromatisation, but idk if I’d be down with pinning every day not due to the actual pinning but due to wanting to avoid scar tissue (plus that’s all good for the test part of the e2 issues but what about the dbol? That’s not something that changes in that equation if you pin a couple times or every day), I usually don’t aromatise super easy but test n dbol together have me thinking it will happen at some point so I just wanna be ready in case it does ahah

 

[buzzingonaas]

Hmmm I’m currently doing 2x a week n was gonna switch to 3x so I can do 300 properly n also due to having done similar research regarding aromatisation, but idk if I’d be down with pinning every day not due to the actual pinning but due to wanting to avoid scar tissue (plus that’s all good for the test part of the e2 issues but what about the dbol? That’s not something that changes in that equation if you pin a couple times or every day), I usually don’t aromatise super easy but test n dbol together have me thinking it will happen at some point so I just wanna be ready in case it does ahah

I’ve been pinning ED for the past year and haven’t noticed scar tissue being an issue. I rotate between 8 sites so basically rarely hit the same site twice in a week

 

[phenominal34]

Also more pins per week equals smaller guage insulin pins.

 

[jJjburton]

Hmmm I’m currently doing 2x a week n was gonna switch to 3x so I can do 300 properly n also due to having done similar research regarding aromatisation, but idk if I’d be down with pinning every day not due to the actual pinning but due to wanting to avoid scar tissue (plus that’s all good for the test part of the e2 issues but what about the dbol? That’s not something that changes in that equation if you pin a couple times or every day), I usually don’t aromatise super easy but test n dbol together have me thinking it will happen at some point so I just wanna be ready in case it does ahah

Dont use dbol if prone to gyno or aromatazation. Its awful. Tbol, Anavar, etc. androl causes some gyno too, dbol for sure.

EOD is solid if not running high amounts. Or short esters. Cyps, etc.

Instead of running orals, up the dose of injectable.

 

[ChevChelios]

I’ve been pinning ED for the past year and haven’t noticed scar tissue being an issue. I rotate between 8 sites so basically rarely hit the same site twice in a week

Yeah I gotta get better at switching spots cos so far I’ve been doin glutes n maybe VG (not sure as I am still confused as to where that fkin thing is but I did pin the side part more than once n it held a good amt of oil so I’m guessing it’s not goin into my hip or sumn ahah)

 

[ChevChelios]

Also more pins per week equals smaller guage insulin pins.

Oh I don’t rly care about the gauge I’ve been doing 23g 1.5 inch since I started n it goes in real smooth (I would go with the slin pins for stuff like delts or quads tho, but I way prefer the luer lock ones I have so unless I have some good reason to switch I’m more than happy with 23g)

 

[ChevChelios]

Dont use dbol if prone to gyno or aromatazation. Its awful. Tbol, Anavar, etc. androl causes some gyno too, dbol for sure.

EOD is solid if not running high amounts. Or short esters. Cyps, etc.

Instead of running orals, up the dose of injectable.

Yeah I’m not sure if prone to gyno (I have some from when I was a teen but it’s stayed the same since then nothing rly noticeable), I do have var too but I really like DBol so want to try running it properly for a bit even tho it’s one of the messier ones (my reasoning was that if imma run it rn it’s the best time of year as I can run the var in summer or whenever but dbol bloat etc… is something pretty much best reserved for the winter ahah). I do plan on raising the injectable dose too but yeah for now I gotta make do with what I have which is a fkload of test these 2 orals n tomorrow my AI arrives.

Any tips on symptoms to look for? Cos everyone just says spicy nips n water retention but for example hot flashes n getting red in the face are others I kinda already have a bit but not sure if it’s that, ik everyone is different but im just tryina get an idea regarding what to watch for as many of these are very minimal things that can easily go unnoticed.

Either way imma avoid the AI as much as possible n start pinning 3x week but yeah gotta understand what to check for so I learn how to manage my e2 properly (like that I learn stuff for future blasts too, as cruise dose doesn’t give me any e2 effects apart from minor water retention n some acne on the shoulders n stuff)

 

[ackmack78]

Yeah I’m not sure if prone to gyno (I have some from when I was a teen but it’s stayed the same since then nothing rly noticeable), I do have var too but I really like DBol so want to try running it properly for a bit even tho it’s one of the messier ones (my reasoning was that if imma run it rn it’s the best time of year as I can run the var in summer or whenever but dbol bloat etc… is something pretty much best reserved for the winter ahah). I do plan on raising the injectable dose too but yeah for now I gotta make do with what I have which is a fkload of test these 2 orals n tomorrow my AI arrives.

Any tips on symptoms to look for? Cos everyone just says spicy nips n water retention but for example hot flashes n getting red in the face are others I kinda already have a bit but not sure if it’s that, ik everyone is different but im just tryina get an idea regarding what to watch for as many of these are very minimal things that can easily go unnoticed.

Either way imma avoid the AI as much as possible n start pinning 3x week but yeah gotta understand what to check for so I learn how to manage my e2 properly (like that I learn stuff for future blasts too, as cruise dose doesn’t give me any e2 effects apart from minor water retention n some acne on the shoulders n stuff)

If you're getting emotional at dumb shit your estrogen is already raised. Whether it's too high for you or not is individual. Also sometimes it's not the fact it's high but the fact that it's unstable. So if you're increasing dosages with each dose increase your estrogen will raise from 1 set point to another and can cause issues while you stabilize.

For example last cycle I got spicy nips at week 4 of 500mg test. Estrogen was 65. Started an AI got bloods 5 weeks later and estrogen was 100 with no symptoms. I was a little bloated and bp was up so I brought my estrogen down to around 70 and stayed there and I had no problems the rest of the cycle. So my problem at 4 weeks in wasnt high estrogen it was the fact that it was unstable and swinging up.

 

[ChevChelios]

If you're getting emotional at dumb shit your estrogen is already raised. Whether it's too high for you or not is individual. Also sometimes it's not the fact it's high but the fact that it's unstable. So if you're increasing dosages with each dose increase your estrogen will raise from 1 set point to another and can cause issues while you stabilize.

For example last cycle I got spicy nips at week 4 of 500mg test. Estrogen was 65. Started an AI got bloods 5 weeks later and estrogen was 100 with no symptoms. I was a little bloated and bp was up so I brought my estrogen down to around 70 and stayed there and I had no problems the rest of the cycle. So my problem at 4 weeks in wasnt high estrogen it was the fact that it was unstable and swinging up.

That makes sense, I ain’t raising the dose every week but I am ramping it up so in like a month I get to 400/500 but yeah my test n e2 at TRT levels was 1200 test n 40/41 e2 but that was from 120mg not 200/300/400 so I’m sure it’s higher now even though I can’t tell too much of a difference (I did have some moments where I got emo outta nowhere even on 120mg but way rarer).

Imma try to get bloodwork done asap but probably won’t for another couple weeks, what I have noticed though (dunno if it’s e2 related but I did read it in various places) is both weird moments where I go pee n it’s like a lil pressure in the lower abdomen n also the not being able to bust easy well that’s something I am in general prone to (I’m circumcised so desensitised a bit never rly complain bout it cos it’s good) but I did notice it takes me a while to bust now n sometimes it turns a bit soft just cos I got distracted over sumn random like a thought that isn’t sexual n that’s also apparently often e2 related so now that I have my 1mg adex I’m trying to think if I should wait longer or if I should try like a lil quarter pill to check if it helps out (I got dbol in case I crash it), only thing is I’m confused as to how it works with adex cos of it being non suicidal as an AI.

Like is the rebound bad? Do you then have to keep popping AIs to keep shit normal? I been reading up on this for a while but nobody seems to mention how that works they just say it can happen with adex n I don’t want to make it worse so yeah lmk any input u might have regarding that I really appreciate it though as per usual this forum always helps n delivers top notch info

 

[ackmack78]

That makes sense, I ain’t raising the dose every week but I am ramping it up so in like a month I get to 400/500 but yeah my test n e2 at TRT levels was 1200 test n 40/41 e2 but that was from 120mg not 200/300/400 so I’m sure it’s higher now even though I can’t tell too much of a difference (I did have some moments where I got emo outta nowhere even on 120mg but way rarer).

Imma try to get bloodwork done asap but probably won’t for another couple weeks, what I have noticed though (dunno if it’s e2 related but I did read it in various places) is both weird moments where I go pee n it’s like a lil pressure in the lower abdomen n also the not being able to bust easy well that’s something I am in general prone to (I’m circumcised so desensitised a bit never rly complain bout it cos it’s good) but I did notice it takes me a while to bust now n sometimes it turns a bit soft just cos I got distracted over sumn random like a thought that isn’t sexual n that’s also apparently often e2 related so now that I have my 1mg adex I’m trying to think if I should wait longer or if I should try like a lil quarter pill to check if it helps out (I got dbol in case I crash it), only thing is I’m confused as to how it works with adex cos of it being non suicidal as an AI.

Like is the rebound bad? Do you then have to keep popping AIs to keep shit normal? I been reading up on this for a while but nobody seems to mention how that works they just say it can happen with adex n I don’t want to make it worse so yeah lmk any input u might have regarding that I really appreciate it though as per usual this forum always helps n delivers top notch info

I wouldn't be too worried about the rebound unless you're taking massive dosages of test or AI. If you want to take an AI I would take it on a set schedule that's the biggest thing that's going to keep you from rebounding. Also just cuz your cycles over doesn't mean you stop taking the AI. If you go straight back to TRT your test levels will remain elevated so you'll need to continue the AI for probably at least 4 weeks, but you can probably scale it down t he final two weeks to keep it from rebounding.

If you want to take Arimidex I would start with a quarter pill twice a week the day after your shot. 0.5mg of Adex isn't that much and is commonly prescribed with TRT. Then see how you feel and get your levels tested and see where the arimidex puts you. Only problem is every time you go higher with your dose of test your estrogen is going to rise, but I wouldn't necessarily increase the AI just because you increase the dose of test if you're not having symptoms or done any blood work

 

[ChevChelios]

I wouldn't be too worried about the rebound unless you're taking massive dosages of test or AI. If you want to take an AI I would take it on a set schedule that's the biggest thing that's going to keep you from rebounding. Also just cuz your cycles over doesn't mean you stop taking the AI. If you go straight back to TRT your test levels will remain elevated so you'll need to continue the AI for probably at least 4 weeks, but you can probably scale it down t he final two weeks to keep it from rebounding.

If you want to take Arimidex I would start with a quarter pill twice a week the day after your shot. 0.5mg of Adex isn't that much and is commonly prescribed with TRT. Then see how you feel and get your levels tested and see where the arimidex puts you. Only problem is every time you go higher with your dose of test your estrogen is going to rise, but I wouldn't necessarily increase the AI just because you increase the dose of test if you're not having symptoms or done any blood work

Word yeah what I’ve been reading says the same thing as in to avoid rebound you should taper the AI down so the e2 that is bound up has time to get cleared n your body then gets used to the lower levels etc… I’m definitely not gonna just stop it cos my blast stops (tbh I’m gonna try to take it the least amount possible so the quarter 2x a week is probably more than enough shit even less than that I might start with a quarter divided by 2 taken twice a week, as maybe that will take my e2 down just the lil bit that makes this difference).

I’m starting to think it’s nearly for sure e2 related cos I never get emo over nothing but the past couple days I nearly cried cos of fkin songs that put me in a weird happy vibe like wtf ahah I ain’t cried since I was a kid not even when my homies died in front of me nothin, but now outta nowhere this shit like that ain’t normal at all for me. Add in the hours n hours it takes to bust, not being able to sleep as easy as usual, only thing that surprises me but I ain’t complaining is my pressure which is somehow lower on higher test than 120 ahah I hope it stays that way

 

[TurtleTank]

Pinning ED, borderline negates any need for an AI. On 1 week pins i get gyno, on ED pins my gyno has shrunk. This is from gyno from 15 years ago too.

ED pins is really great if aromatization is a problem.

Question on this, if you are pinning ED, what gauge needle are you using and what’s your injection protocol / site rotation? I’m hearing people say they use SubQ for every day, but I guess I’m old school and I’m wary of injecting oils SubQ.

Also it takes forever to draw oil with 25gauge, how is the oil even getting through an insulin needle?

Thanks dawg,

 

[bigead]

I inject every day with slin pins, 27 gauge .5 inch works well for me. Traps, delts, pecs, lats, ventra glutes and sometimes thigh. I hate thighs...