Help with Labmax test

[James Victor]

I brewed a batch from my Chinese testosterone enanthate consignment and tested with the Labmax single A + B vial kit.

Anyone able to use the info here to help me understand the results?

I did a small batch with this recipe:

5g Test E
0.4 ml BA
3 ml BB
11.9 ml GSO

In the instructions where I got it (Irongym7.co.uk) it says you don't need to look for fluorescence when testing test e. But on the Labmax site, there is a video of testing test e, and for the GSO test, it clearly shows looking for fluorescence.

The test caused the orange colour reaction that the colour chart from Irongym7 gives. I could not see the same fluorescence as in the Labmax video. There is some fluorescence on the walls of the vial, but not in the reagent/oil mix.

I used a 4w 365nm tube, not the flashlight type used by Labmax for the video. Could it be the lack of directed light?

This shows the fluorescence on the walls of vial a. The initial orange has progressed to a deep amber over the few minutes since the mixing:



This orange colour was seen in both A and B vials immediately after mixing:

 

[Savagesteve]

Labmax is trash. Send it in for hplc testing if you want to really see the purity.

 

[James Victor]

Labmax is trash. Send it in for hplc testing if you want to really see the purity.

I don't know how to find someone who will do that and what the costs would be.

In what way is labmax trash exactly? It is just reagent testing isn't it? I know it is not as good as HPLC, but why would you not do labmax plus melting point first?

 

[Iron Frenchie]

Test E melts easy put a gram in your pocket. It should melt after a hour or so.

 

[Savagesteve]

I don't know how to find someone who will do that and what the costs would be.

In what way is labmax trash exactly? It is just reagent testing isn't it? I know it is not as good as HPLC, but why would you not do labmax plus melting point first?

It could be 1% test e and labmax would show it as a pass. Problem with labmax is there’s 100 different things that could skew the test(amount of hormone added, which light you use, etc etc)

 

[James Victor]

It could be 1% test e and labmax would show it as a pass. Problem with labmax is there’s 100 different things that could skew the test(amount of hormone added, which light you use, etc etc)

I hear what you are saying about Labmax. I know no one wants to come and tell me it's all ok, so I am just trying to do as best I can then pin it and test. At least I'm brewing and filtering myself, so I am confident about biological contaminants.

I re-ran the test, just with powder, and in vial B got a strong green fluorescent response. According to the labmax vids, vial A should fluoresce, but according to the labmax chart linked by the supplier, it only mentions vial B. According to this chart, the powder actually checks out. I do appreciate that's not a purity test.

http://www.labmax.ca/steroidslist.pdf

I have bought the basic chemistry equipment to do a fairly accurate melting point test. Is it fair to say that if the melting point checks out, that is at least more evidence? The melting point I have found is 36-37.5°C

By the way, the powder is a bit greasy and lumpy, and smells like a cross between candle wax and rancid oil does that sound right?

 

[Savagesteve]

I hear what you are saying about Labmax. I know no one wants to come and tell me it's all ok, so I am just trying to do as best I can then pin it and test. At least I'm brewing and filtering myself, so I am confident about biological contaminants.

I re-ran the test, just with powder, and in vial B got a strong green fluorescent response. According to the labmax vids, vial A should fluoresce, but according to the labmax chart linked by the supplier, it only mentions vial B. According to this chart, the powder actually checks out. I do appreciate that's not a purity test.

http://www.labmax.ca/steroidslist.pdf

I have bought the basic chemistry equipment to do a fairly accurate melting point test. Is it fair to say that if the melting point checks out, that is at least more evidence? The melting point I have found is 36-37.5°C

By the way, the powder is a bit greasy and lumpy, and smells like a cross between candle wax and rancid oil does that sound right?

no idea as I’ve never brewed myself. If you don’t get a response to the smell and texture, I’d probably make a new thread asking about it.

 

[Rosconow]

I'm in Canada and have been to the offices of Lab Max. I dropped off some samples for hplc testing to them, while asking a shitload of questions about their kits.

If you don't have the specific uv light they list on their website, your sample may not fluoresce like it should. I notice when i test product that the glow does come from the sides of the vial and around the edge of the product. Some pics of some test E that was in question of authenticity, thought they might be counterfeit, and they may well be, but they definitely had test in them. I think the lab max kits are great as a "field test" kit. At least you know if there is hormone present or not. Would have saved me a shitload of $ back in the day when i bought a very large number of fake organon deca in 2ml vials.... absolute bunk!

 

[FlawlessSet]

i have not used lab max kits as general consensus on other forums says they are very poorly accurate.

 

[Sworder]

Test E melts easy put a gram in your pocket. It should melt after a hour or so.

This is how all good science is performed

 

[Iron Frenchie]

This is how all good science is performed

You ever put silly putty in your pocket as a kid?

 

[Sworder]

You ever put silly putty in your pocket as a kid?

No, I was too poor for those fancy non-Newtonian fluids.

I got my tongue stuck on a frozen pole once though!

 

[jstarks11]

I hear what you are saying about Labmax. I know no one wants to come and tell me it's all ok, so I am just trying to do as best I can then pin it and test. At least I'm brewing and filtering myself, so I am confident about biological contaminants.

I re-ran the test, just with powder, and in vial B got a strong green fluorescent response. According to the labmax vids, vial A should fluoresce, but according to the labmax chart linked by the supplier, it only mentions vial B. According to this chart, the powder actually checks out. I do appreciate that's not a purity test.

http://www.labmax.ca/steroidslist.pdf

I have bought the basic chemistry equipment to do a fairly accurate melting point test. Is it fair to say that if the melting point checks out, that is at least more evidence? The melting point I have found is 36-37.5°C

By the way, the powder is a bit greasy and lumpy, and smells like a cross between candle wax and rancid oil does that sound right?

Candlewax and rancid oil..... Yeah, I hope not to confuse the situation any further for you bro but in no way do I associate the smell of Test E to rancid oil or candle wax. Test E has a distinct MUSKY,SWEET, PINEY smell. Like a sweet piney smell with the edge of musk. Now everyone's nose is a bit different but not that much I don't think. Rancid oil...candle wax... Yeah I never got that out of Test E.