nealcaffrey16
Well-known Member
hi friends,
I was recently on TRT at 200mg/wk, split 2x (cyp). After getting a bit ambitious on the need for a higher and actual cycle, I've decided to go off that cycle from bad sides and a couple of underlying issues. (acne, pre-existing gyno that was inflamed further by GH, moderate BPH). (cycle was Bold Cyp 300mg/wk, Primo 200mg/wk, raised Test Cyp to 500mg/wk).
prior to this cycle, I was experimenting with Letro 2.5mg 2x/week as my TRT. (one or maybe more studies back this as an alternative means of TRT, although their dosing was 1x 2.5mg Letro per week). I'm 6'6 / 270ish so I chose to use 2x that dose. BF is on the higher side of 18-19% as of now.
here were my bloods on the 2x2.5mg/week Letro:
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I converted my values for finding my Free T using this calculator Free testosterone calculator and found my Free T to be 648 lol. so, obviously the Letro did the job.
everything was great on the LetroTRT except for the one obvious thing - my estradiol. and, it's why I switched gears and went to Cyp. I felt run down, no libido (well, really no desire honestly... I could get it up totally fine, I just hardly cared to). if this were the only problem i had to deal with, well, I'd still deal with it pretty easily, but my problem is that this also affected my work. (no, i'm not a sex worker lol). It just carried over into the lack of overall 'drive' that I need to succeed elsewhere.
so, my last pin was a week ago (cyp) and I began the Letro again. I'd like input on how I can raise my estradiol so I can perfect this setup.
options:
a) HCG. I get pretty bad acne using 500iu 2x/week. I can reduce it to 100-250iu 2x/week and try that. I was on 500iu 2x/week on this last protocol with Cyp and my acne is quite awful right now. I know my BP was higher and was holding a lot of water as well, as I've pissed out about 8lbs of it in the last three days lol.
b) I think I can get estradiol cream or tabs on amazon, but ??? not so sure how good of an idea this is.
c) I can get a script for Toremifene to take alongside the Letro, although there's not a lot of reason why this would do any good. Clomid would theoretically be another option for a mild estro bump, but, Clomid fucks my head bigly. Torem doesn't.
d) I could lower the Letro dose itself to 1x 2.5mg per week and see if my estro isn't suppressed as hard. Not gonna lie, this is the least desired option because I love the TT/FT levels where they are lol. (Flame me away, Scally!)
other factors / shit I take / etc:
- I take 9mg / day of Boron. I cannot be sure if I was taking it at the time of the bloodwork, but I'm about 90% sure that I was. this likely explains the free T being where it was, as Boron is proven to do this at that dose.
- I take 15mg/day of Pregnenolone. always felt better doing this on TRT than when I didn't.
- I take 5mg Finasteride for BPH. now being off of Cyp, I am a bit concerned about the DHT suppression, but, hopefully won't be an issue.
- my nuts are a bit atrophied. HCG doesn't really do much for them in my experience. Torem and Clomid will blow them way up like I like 'em.
- I have a little bit of HMG on the way that should arrive in a week or so. I have no desire for further kids, so fertility isn't a thing here, but some users seem to respond better to HMG than HCG for recovering size down there.
obviously I will get bloodwork further to fine tune this shit, but, I'm after the least side effects possible from whatever the solution is.
anyway, thanks for reading and I wanted if nothing else to share the bloodwork on the LetroTRT protocol lol.
I was recently on TRT at 200mg/wk, split 2x (cyp). After getting a bit ambitious on the need for a higher and actual cycle, I've decided to go off that cycle from bad sides and a couple of underlying issues. (acne, pre-existing gyno that was inflamed further by GH, moderate BPH). (cycle was Bold Cyp 300mg/wk, Primo 200mg/wk, raised Test Cyp to 500mg/wk).
prior to this cycle, I was experimenting with Letro 2.5mg 2x/week as my TRT. (one or maybe more studies back this as an alternative means of TRT, although their dosing was 1x 2.5mg Letro per week). I'm 6'6 / 270ish so I chose to use 2x that dose. BF is on the higher side of 18-19% as of now.
here were my bloods on the 2x2.5mg/week Letro:
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| Marker | Lab Order ID 77580 09/24/2021 |
|---|---|
| Alanine Aminotransferase (ALT) | 48 |
| Albumin | 4.5 |
| Aspartate Aminotransferase (AST) | 34 |
| Estradiol | 22.5 |
| Free Testosterone | 24 |
| Free Testosterone (%) | 1.76 |
| Luteinizing Hormone (LH) | 5.3 |
| Sex Hormone-Binding Globulin (SHBG) | 54 |
| Total Testosterone | 1383 |
I converted my values for finding my Free T using this calculator Free testosterone calculator and found my Free T to be 648 lol. so, obviously the Letro did the job.
everything was great on the LetroTRT except for the one obvious thing - my estradiol. and, it's why I switched gears and went to Cyp. I felt run down, no libido (well, really no desire honestly... I could get it up totally fine, I just hardly cared to). if this were the only problem i had to deal with, well, I'd still deal with it pretty easily, but my problem is that this also affected my work. (no, i'm not a sex worker lol). It just carried over into the lack of overall 'drive' that I need to succeed elsewhere.
so, my last pin was a week ago (cyp) and I began the Letro again. I'd like input on how I can raise my estradiol so I can perfect this setup.
options:
a) HCG. I get pretty bad acne using 500iu 2x/week. I can reduce it to 100-250iu 2x/week and try that. I was on 500iu 2x/week on this last protocol with Cyp and my acne is quite awful right now. I know my BP was higher and was holding a lot of water as well, as I've pissed out about 8lbs of it in the last three days lol.
b) I think I can get estradiol cream or tabs on amazon, but ??? not so sure how good of an idea this is.
c) I can get a script for Toremifene to take alongside the Letro, although there's not a lot of reason why this would do any good. Clomid would theoretically be another option for a mild estro bump, but, Clomid fucks my head bigly. Torem doesn't.
d) I could lower the Letro dose itself to 1x 2.5mg per week and see if my estro isn't suppressed as hard. Not gonna lie, this is the least desired option because I love the TT/FT levels where they are lol. (Flame me away, Scally!)
other factors / shit I take / etc:
- I take 9mg / day of Boron. I cannot be sure if I was taking it at the time of the bloodwork, but I'm about 90% sure that I was. this likely explains the free T being where it was, as Boron is proven to do this at that dose.
- I take 15mg/day of Pregnenolone. always felt better doing this on TRT than when I didn't.
- I take 5mg Finasteride for BPH. now being off of Cyp, I am a bit concerned about the DHT suppression, but, hopefully won't be an issue.
- my nuts are a bit atrophied. HCG doesn't really do much for them in my experience. Torem and Clomid will blow them way up like I like 'em.
- I have a little bit of HMG on the way that should arrive in a week or so. I have no desire for further kids, so fertility isn't a thing here, but some users seem to respond better to HMG than HCG for recovering size down there.
obviously I will get bloodwork further to fine tune this shit, but, I'm after the least side effects possible from whatever the solution is.
anyway, thanks for reading and I wanted if nothing else to share the bloodwork on the LetroTRT protocol lol.
