HGH Longevity Question

liquid

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I have done quite a bit of reasearch and I am afraid the answer to my question will be "inconclusive" however I will ask it anyway in the hopes to get some educated and professional opinions.

My background I have used steroids for a decade and decided to stop about 6 months ago primarily because of my concerns for cardiac problems later in life and the fact theat I was really larger than I should be for health reasons. I easily could get up close to 250 at 5'11'' at less than 10% BF but I was uncomfortable at this wait developed athma and other breathing problems. I had reduced dosages greatly and had been using growth hormone for the past 2 years and really responded well to it even at low doses. So around Sept I finished off with some low dose HCG and conitnued with 3iu/day of Jintropin. I wanted to see if my natural test could come back and I knew it would be a slow process but I believe the growth helped enormously. After 2 months I dropped down to 2iu/day of Jin and still saw and felt the benefits of the GH, the only thing that changed was I didn't feel that carpal tunnel sypmtoms in the morning. I have cotinued the 2iu to present. Today - 6 moths later, I beleive my natural test has recovered sufficiently at this point based on the fact that my ball are back to normal size and my sex drive is decent (however not like it is on a gram of test :)). I have not had bloodwork at this point however I really feel good and wanted to continue with the GH indefinitely. - This takes us to my question. I have seen many studies which show the relationship towards left ventricle wall thickness and the use of GH to the point that I am quite concerned about it. At 32 years old after years of use I am quite sure I am very low on natural GH and would like to continue using indefinitely for the rest of my life if this will not cause future left ventricle issues, is 2iu/day a minimal enough dose to avoid cardiac problems? Is it safe to stay on this dose for years? Should I cycle? I have considered dropping the dose to 1.5iu/day. Growth has been a godsend for me and most of my friends look at me at the gym and can not believe that I am not using juice. AT this point in my life I am 228 very lean (probably close to 7-8%; 6% with calipers but don't trust it) and feel great train hard and don't see myself ever ABUSING/using steroids again unless my natural levels decline to an unacceptable level and I do HRT in clinical doses. ANy insight would be appreciated as to whether this is a safe route to take.
 
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congradulations on putting your health first. You might want to read about hgh and hrt over at the 4AM site. Hgh is usually titrated at 350 level of IGF-1. Further you want to track your blood sugar levels--serum glucose. Some docs also recommend a Igfbp-3 level to rule out cancer. I am sure that there are more things to consider. These are just a few things that come to mind immediately. What was your natural igf-1 level when your natural test returned? I wonder if you need the hgh?

http://www.worldhealth.net/
 
Just curious...about how low does a 46 year old guy's IGF-1 have to be before he can get an insurance company to cover it? I had mine checked a while back and it was 113 back then.
 
I was at 80 and couldn't get it covered. I'm running it thru a medical reimbursement account now.
 
Headdoc,
My IGF-1 levels are at 312 on a scale of 114-492. I am 38 years old and just started T therapy yesterday. I am assuming my levels are good? Would there be any benefit to supplementation? I had read the my HG levels should go higher now that I have started the T therapy.
 
I wonder if you need the hgh? - Headdoc

Headdoc,

Do I need the GH, that is a relative question. Do I need it to live - definitely not. I could probably get by without it and eventually with a very strict diet and good training end up around 210 with low BF and look better than 80% of the general population. - I am taking this from a BODYBUILDING perspective. Hell no, of course I don't need it but with it I have an extra 20+ lbs of muscle and am ripped at 230 at 5'10'' (with alot of hard work and after 15years of training and steroid use) and look very much like a bodybuilder. I highly doubt I will be able to maintain this without my GH supplementation. Something has got to give here, take a look at my BMI at 7% BF this is just not natural. My question is can I maintain this course and not negatively affect my health.
 
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Liquid,
Are you sure the GH has really attributed to muscle mass or perhaps was it the AAS use? I have read a lot of conflicting studies that say the GH will enlarge organs and bone mass and lengthen certain bones in excessive use cases, but do not actually contibute to muscle mass. It think the last study I read was HIV patients were given up 26 or 28 iu per day with zero muscle mass gains. Of course I don't recal if they were training or not and how important that is with the use of GH. I am not taking a definative stance either way, but am curious to know what your experience has been and how you know which product actually produced the results.

How much GH have you used in the past on a daily basis?
 
Liquid, I'd see what the medical tests revealed with my gh use. The hrt literature seems to support a safe value around 350 igf-1. That's what I'm shooting for and just had some draws done to see. I'm too am curious to see if I can sustain a decent igf-1 level on test and hcg alone. That will get tested some time this year on myself.
 
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Headdoc, obvisoulsy my muscle gains have come from my many years of training and steroid use - I was up to 240lbs lean before I ever tried GH. However the addition of GH changed my body, difficult to describe but in a good way. Primarily relevant to this discussion the use of GH has enabled me to maintain these gains without continually using steroids. I consider GH not to be necessarily a muscle gainer( there are other things more effective for that purpose) but anyone who uses steroids for bodybuilding purposes can benefit from the addition of GH and post cycle GH is very effective, for me and others, to maintain a level of muscle that would not be achievable without the GH in the absence of anabolics. Obviously I have lost some muscle and I would be bigger if continued to cycle steroids with the GH, but I feel I have been able to maintain well more than I would have naturally if I had not been using the growth hormone after the cessation of the anabolics. Also I believe the Gh use contributed to the restoration of my natural test levels.

In regards to my doses i have tried many different dosing regimes from 10iu/day for short periods down to my current 2iu indefinately. I believe each different method has its purpose depending on your goals. To me cost is not a factor, however I will say from a health perspective obviously the higher doses for extended periods of time is not the best way to go. From a bodybuilding angle I can "feel" the benefits of the growth with my training and have no idea what effect there would be without rigorous training with weights. I serioulsy feel and look like I am on steroids, and I should know, anyone who has abused steroids can explain the effects of training when in between cycles - it is not pretty. In regards to product I have tried most of the different manufacturers and am most fond of Jintropin. I have not found a better product and it is readily available for a little over $200/100ius.
 
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interesting points all. You may be outlining a strategy for many to work their way out of steroids without losing all they've gained in size. Size is not an issue to me. At 60, I'm 6'1" and 238 @24 % bf. Obviously dropping some bf is a goal.
 
HeadDoc said:
I was at 80 and couldn't get it covered. I'm running it thru a medical reimbursement account now.

HeadDoc,

I have considered using my work's medical reimbursement account to pay for my GH. I really have no idea how those accounts work, and perhaps since it's past the "open enrolement" period for my insurrance it's too late to use it. Assuming that's not the case, have you had any trouble getting that "covered" through such an account? I guess the risk is the IRS doesn't consider the expense necessary.
 
Ender said:
HeadDoc,

I have considered using my work's medical reimbursement account to pay for my GH. I really have no idea how those accounts work, and perhaps since it's past the "open enrolement" period for my insurrance it's too late to use it. Assuming that's not the case, have you had any trouble getting that "covered" through such an account? I guess the risk is the IRS doesn't consider the expense necessary.

I should know soon and will let you know.
 
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