High Dht

I don't know, but I think that is above what SWALE considers appropriate.

I can speculate: perhaps an enlarged prostate.

I assume you are using a transdermal?
 
Dht

Yes was doing 1 1/2 Testim now 2 Androgel. Will get the Andro checked in a few days.

Can a hight DHT cause sweating, anger, nervousness, irritability, insomnia.
Being that high has to cause some metal symptoms.

First test on 1 1/2 Testim
Total 522 241-827 Free 159 34-194 E2 47. 10-50 DHT 163 25-75

Second test on same dose My
Total was 401, free was 118. E2 was 31 Didn't get the DHT
 
Seems pretty high DHT for levels of transdermal gel being used and Total T / Free T levels. But then just might be your particular reaction to transdermals.

Something else to consider:

http://www.alternativehealth.com.au/Articles/nettles.htm

QUOTE:
Some of the more resent research on BPH and Nettles show that Nettles can interfere or block a chemical process in the body that has been linked to prostate disorders. As men age, free-floating testosterone becomes bound to albumin in a process called human sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG), removing its bioavailability to the body. This chemical process is now believed to be linked to prostate disorders. In several clinical studies, nettles has demonstrated the ability to block this process which may well explain its documented effectiveness in the treatment of many prostate conditions. Since testosterone is a natural aphrodisiac, and nettles makes more testosterone bioavailable for the body's use by blocking SHBG... Another study using saw palmetto berries and nettle root extracts to treat patients with BPH showed an inhibition of the testosterone metabolites dihydrotestosterone and estrogen, thus proving to be an effective treatment... Nettle extracts also inhibit enzymes such as 5 alpha reductase that cause testosterone to convert to DHT. It is the DHT metabolite of testosterone that is known to cause benign prostate enlargement, excess facial hair and hair loss at the top of the head.
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Also see:

http://www.rain-tree.com/nettles.htm

Further info on a DHT study:

http://herkules.oulu.fi/isbn9514253868/html/x1060.html
QUOTE:
It has been noticed that the administration of estradiol both stimulates prostatic growth (Suzuki et al. 1994) and increases the incidence of prostatic carcinoma in rats (Shirai et al. 1994). Rats treated with DHT plus estradiol did not develop tumors (Shirai et al. 1994). In a 1.8-year open survey of 37 men aged 5570 years treated with daily percutaneus DHT treatment, high plasma levels of DHT (> 8.5 nmol/l) effectively induced clinical benefits in andropausal symptoms, while slighly but significantly reducing prostatic size (de Lignieres 1993). It has been concluded in many studies that estrogens play an important role in the pathogenesis of BPH. Estradiol but not DHT acts in concert with SHBG to produce an 8-fold increase in intracellular cAMP in human BPH tissue, causing growth of the prostate, while DHT, which blocks the binding of estradiol to SHBG, completely negates the effect of estradiol (Nakhla et al. 1994). In our study, the size of the prostate remained the same and serum PSA did not increase, and there was also some relief in the obstructive symptoms in BPH patients with high symptom scores (I-PSS) before the study... In our study, morning erections improved and libido was better in the DHT group, and the maintenance of erections during the intercourse was also better in the actively medicated group. We found DHT to be a safe option for long-term treatment of andropausal symptoms, it may also have a positive effect on urinating problems....
NOTE: In our study, both hemoglobin and hematocrit increased significantly during DHT treatment, however staying in normal value range in all patients.
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I am not aware - offhand - of any studies showing that elevated DHT levels cause symptoms of "sweating, anger, nervousness, irritability, and/or insomnia". (*)

Anyone else out there have any information on "elevated DHT symptoms" which might incorporate those listed symptoms???

Larry


(*)

T administration in and of itself:

QUOTE:
Wang et al. (125) recently reported that T administration to hypogonadal men resulted in a significant decrease in anger, sadness, irritability, and nervousness along with an increased sense of well-being, energy, and friendliness.
(125)Wang C, Alexander G, Berman N, Salehian B, Davidson T, McDonald V, Steiner B, Hull L, Callegari C, Swerdloff RS 1996 Testosterone replacement therapy improves mood in hypogonadal mena clinical research center study. J Clin Endocrinol Metab 81:35783583
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stat1951 said:
"As men age, free-floating testosterone becomes bound to albumin in a process called human sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG), removing its bioavailability to the body."


This is incorrect. Sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) is not a process. Rather, it is a protein. Albumin and SHBG are not the same protein. Testosterone bound to albumin is referred to as "loosely bound," and it is bioavailable. Bioavailable T= free T + loosely bound T. T bound to SHBG is tightly bound, and is therefore not bioavailable.
 
cpeil2 said:
This is incorrect. Sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) is not a process. Rather, it is a protein. Albumin and SHBG are not the same protein. Testosterone bound to albumin is referred to as "loosely bound," and it is bioavailable. Bioavailable T= free T + loosely bound T. T bound to SHBG is tightly bound, and is therefore not bioavailable.

I don't think that they meant to be calling SHBG a chemical process but meant to refer to the process wherein a large part of the testosterone gets bound up with SHBG as being the chemical process. Clearly they didn't word it in those terms, but that was the meaning that I understood from the article.
 
Using 1/2 a gram daily of TestoCreme (which contains 50mg of Testosterone), applied scrotally. My DHT rose to 173 ng/dl (lab normal range 25-75).

Frankly, I felt no adverse effects. In fact, I felt fine. Not great (as my total T levels were still low: 234).

Also, research by Dr. Wayne Miekle shows that scrotal application dramatically increases DHT compared to non-scrotal application. So,

My HRT, Dr. Abraham Kryger, http://www.wellnessmd.com/vitae.html had me switch from scrotal application to rib application and doubled the dose to get total T up. He also added a small amount of Progesterone to the cream (SWALE will probably vigorously disagree with this action). The purpose of the Progesterone as it was explained to me, is that it's the male body's own DHT and Estrogen receptor competitor and is a better way to oppose DHT than, say Finasteride when on TRT.

That was 2 weeks ago. I had a draw 2 days ago, new T and DHT results coming in a week.

So, from my own experience, I would look elsewhere for the cause of your symptoms.
 
Hihg DHt

Yep, I am looking at an overdose of Thyroid med. I seem to have all the symptoms of Hyperthyroid.
Thanks for the reply guys very helpful.
 
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