How bad is fruit while dieting??

[Shockrock3]

Trying to curb my appetitie between meals with protein & fruit. I'm sticking to fruits low on the glycemic index i.e. cherries, apricots, etc. I'm also taking Vanadyl with the fruits to help promote and "insulin" like effect. Any thoughts would be GREATLY appreciated.

Shock

 

[ed mass]

Trying to curb my appetitie between meals with protein & fruit. I'm sticking to fruits low on the glycemic index i.e. cherries, apricots, etc. I'm also taking Vanadyl with the fruits to help promote and "insulin" like effect. Any thoughts would be GREATLY appreciated.

Shock

There was an article in MD that did a study with a group eating grapefruit and a group without. The group eating grapefruit lost 4 more pounds over 12 weeks. The same results were acheived with an apple.

I have read articles b4 that said grapefruit had ABSOULUTLY NO effect on weight loss.

 

[Shockrock3]

Moderate amounts of fruit could be ok while dieting, but different people react differently to carbs. The book "Metabolic Typing Diet" by William Wolcott goes over how each person is individual, and while one person might get ripped while eating fruit, another might gain fat. Some people have to cut the carbs really low while others do fine keeping it high. Even Charles Poliquin says 75% of his clients do good on low carb while the remaining 25% do well on high carb.

If you handle carbs fine, then some fruit would be ok. You might have to adjust based on your experience, though. Most fruits are about 50% fructose (except bananas, which are about 30%), but the real problems with fructose comes from things like sodas which contain high fructose corn syrup, which is about 80% fructose. Since fructose doesn't stimulate an insulin response, this gives things like soda seemingly low glycemic index for being sugar water! (in the 60s). That's when fructose is a real problem...when you get really high levels of it with not much else - this raises blood sugar levels without an insulin response...so you're left with lots of sugar staying in your blood! Not good.

Now if I may recommend two supplements to help manage carbs well. Alpha lipoic acid, of course, at at least 600mg, and up to 1200mg per day. Another is called "carb support" from a small company founded by two pharmacists I know. It contains a whole lot of ingredients to help manage blood sugar and increase insulin sensitivity. In my experience, it helped reduce ehunger between meals as well.

Here's the link to that supplement: http://askrph3.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=ATP&Product_Code=LJ-CS-90&Category_Code=c

Very imformative Frosty, thank you. I do have 1 question though if you don't mind ....you say that Fructose doesn't promote an insulin spike or response (I never knew that, you learn something everyday) so taking Vanadyl with fruit is basically doing NADA due to the fact that Fructose doesn't spike your insulin levels so the Vanadyl is not "shuttling" carbs into the muscles because there is no insulin spike? Is this statement correct? Sorry if doesn't make too much sense, I tried to word it the best I could. Thanks bro for all your help.

Ed mass...I eat like 3 Ruby Red Grapefruits a week...like you I'm not sure what the "magical" ingredient in grapefruit is that supposedly burns or helps to burn fat. I know I like the Ruby Red's though, lol.

Shock

 

[that]

Do you think apples are ok?

 

[consistent1]

Depends on you and your goals, but generally apples are good. Low glycemic index.

Good fiber source also, which helps out. I like to have one for breakfast with some meat.

 

[that]

So when tring to stay lean , real lean an apple is cool?
I was looking at things, for instance a u turn bar has 12g of sugar 8 or 9g of fat 30 g of protien 300 cal. If you cutting an your normally eating that bar an would it be better to have like a med apple an a protien shake?
Protien bars are convient, great in a rush, but damn. THe amount of shit u can eat vs a bar is crazy. A bar doesnt do shit, i eat it, 30min im hungary as hell again. 300 + calories in just about all of the. Instead of a dumbass bar i could have 2 chicken breast and 2 cups of veggies which is a hell of a lot more filling. lol
Im cutting the u-turn, replacing it with an apple and shake! lol

 

[eleven11]

Apples, berries and melons are all ok...............11

 

[Pup'nIrn]

Fruit is okay in moderation. I am using apples, pears and occationally an orange or peach for variety. I also use vandyl sulfate with my fruit to control glucose. You will find it much easier to handle a diet with fruit included.

Apples & pears provide alot of fiber and bulk for a few calories and are very filling. Indlude a little protein with a large apple and you have a really good "between" meal. I find 10 2200mg aminos and an apple perfect.

Pup

 

[aunique.226]

Fruits are considered as an effective diet food. You can lose your weight just taking the fruits in few days. With other diets,without fruits, you will not get better result as compare to fruits. Apricots,Bananas, Blueberries,Apple are best diet fruits.

 

[zkt]

Fructose doesnt promote an insulin spike? Thats just wrong. It sure does and then goes on to cause a cascade of enzymatic activity in the liver that results in a spike in triglycerides, LDL and lipid synthesis. Fruit in its natural form also contains fiber and complex carbs that dampen the response.
But still a pint is a pound the world around and 100 cal/d for 35 days = a pound.
Trust the arithmetic my son.

Very imformative Frosty, thank you. I do have 1 question though if you don't mind ....you say that Fructose doesn't promote an insulin spike or response (I never knew that, you learn something everyday) so taking Vanadyl with fruit is basically doing NADA due to the fact that Fructose doesn't spike your insulin levels so the Vanadyl is not "shuttling" carbs into the muscles because there is no insulin spike? Is this statement correct? Sorry if doesn't make too much sense, I tried to word it the best I could. Thanks bro for all your help.

Ed mass...I eat like 3 Ruby Red Grapefruits a week...like you I'm not sure what the "magical" ingredient in grapefruit is that supposedly burns or helps to burn fat. I know I like the Ruby Red's though, lol.

Shock

 

[HeadDoc]

rather than worry about a specific food, why not plug the food into a calorie counter like Fitday and set your goals accordingly? If you are on this board, you probably like to train. Many of us like to train intensively. As men we use code to communicate on the forums. For instance, "I want to lose weight" or "I need to diet". This is code for "I want to cut" or "I want to burn visible body fat". It would never mean: "I want to lose pounds and let some muscle go". So understanding what our implicit goal is to better prepare yourself to what you will do. This part is psychological. Next, look at your training and metabolic needs calorically (is this a word?). What do you need to consume to allow you to do what you do? This will help you avoid the metabolic and endocrinological damage that some of our members suffer from abusive dietary and exercise routines.

So what to eat? Enough vegetables, fruit, meat, nuts, seeds, oils to sustain metabolism and exercise, but not enough to accumulate body fat. Avoid sugar, sweeteners, refined carbohydrates, alcohol. Include healthy fats from oil, avocado, coconut oil, nut oils--- I am fond of grapeseed oil as it had a higher burn point than olive oil.

Hope you find this useful. To your health!

 

[LifeEditing]

Fruit while dieting is wonderful. Yes you can eat it and yes you can love it. Fruit is an integral part of my diet and I've dropped 25lbs in the last 5 months while gaining 5lbs of lean muscle. Plus, if you have a sweet tooth (like I do) it can be really fulfilling AND help keep you away from tempting mistakes.

I check the glycemic index and categorize fruits based on where they fall. If they're high glycemic (i.e. fast release of carbs/calories) I only eat them during my post workout meal. If they're not, I'll throw them into one or two of my other six meals throughout the day. Most nights I actually eat a little bit of fruit before bed along with some cottage cheese, to keep my metabolism going while I sleep. The key is low glycemic, so that the calories are released slowly along with the protein.

I'm a big fan of peaches, apples, bananas (eaten only for post workout), pineapple, mango, and I even like to get some papaya in once a week because of how well the enzymes in it help with digestion. Just keep it moderate/properly proportioned. 1 piece of fruit is a portion, and as much as you need at any meal. For larger fruits that get cut, use the same old tired technique - the palm of your hand - and done.

Enjoy!


-EL

 

[Lisacrain]

Eating fruit while dieting is fine. However, I would recommend a chicken salad for the protein, with fruit on the side after. I know there is lots of sugars in fruit, even though they are natural. I have a small fruit salad everyday for lunch.

 

[jemima.harris]

Fruits are not bad but very good for diet. The fructose component of fruit works to refill liver glycogen and folks who include a moderate amount of fruit in their weight loss diets often report feeling much less hungry. But eat whole fruit stay away from fruit juice. Fruits contains virtually no fat and most is small in calories.

 

[princehappy]

I think food are good in the diet is a part of the diet I suggest you to eat try eating papaya without adding sugar. Sugar levels in papaya are good enough to eat. It is believed papaya has some enzymes in it which would help reducing weight. Also go for watermelon as it is rich in water and minerals which would easily fill you up. Try eating citrusfruits as Vitamin C would do wonders to your body.

 

[micheljhonson87]

Fruit is not bad but very good for diet. Fructose fruit works to replenish liver glycogen and people that includes a moderate amount of fruit in their weight loss diets often report feeling significantly less hungry. But eating whole fruits stay away from fruit juices. Fruits contain almost no fat, and most are small in calories.