How do you know how much HCG to take on TRT

Harley00

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Morn guys, im curious to know how much hcg to take, on trt for maximum benefits, not for fertility, but for up regulation for other hormons pathways. wanting to keep my hpa/axis functions as close to normal as much as i can, been on trt for 2 years and have never touched hcg. But have experienced lowerd cortisol production, so trying hcg to send the signal to my Corticotropin-releasing hormone, as my lh would have done this.

Since you can't just do a luteinizing hormone blood test because hcg just mimics lh how do we know we have enough for whats needed?

Do we pull a hcg blood test?

Thank you.
 
I'm a bit puzzled about what you're mentioning in relation to cortisol and CRH. Either way, in one trial, hCG injections of 250 IU every other day lead to intratesticular testosterone concentrations virtually similar to what they were at baseline. This indicates that that roughly mimics the effects of endogeneous LH.

 
I'm a bit puzzled about what you're mentioning in relation to cortisol and CRH. Either way, in one trial, hCG injections of 250 IU every other day lead to intratesticular testosterone concentrations virtually similar to what they were at baseline. This indicates that that roughly mimics the effects of endogeneous LH.

In this article, or study it suggest that luteinizing hormone promotes the release of CRH in a dose-dependent fashion.




We no that by taking bio identical testosterone, the signal from the hypothalamus from the testicles, could be shut off due to the hypothalamus getting the signal that we have enough testosterone.

Since we have no luteinizing hormone when we are on trt , then its possible were loosing that feed loop from our lh to our hypothalamus then to crh to then signal our acth to make cortisol.

So what im wondering, is hcg stored in the body after the half life time of around 30 hrs
Also how much hcg is required to continuously make hpta axis fully functional, we no roughly 1000iu a week can make us fertile in a few months and bring our ball size back even quicker etc , but how much is needed to make that signal to the hypothalamus? And is it the same signal you would get from having a proper luteinizing hormone? Or will the fact that hcg only mimics it we still loose a connection.

If we cant measure lh from taking hcg, then is there any data on measuring hcg in the blood ? For what im asking, or is it just hey take 250iu 3 times a week and your good... just curious is all.

I mean realistically the more lh we have to a degree means more testosterone etc and other hormones, so how does that relate to the amount of hcg we take.
 
In this article, or study it suggest that luteinizing hormone promotes the release of CRH in a dose-dependent fashion.




We no that by taking bio identical testosterone, the signal from the hypothalamus from the testicles, could be shut off due to the hypothalamus getting the signal that we have enough testosterone.

Since we have no luteinizing hormone when we are on trt , then its possible were loosing that feed loop from our lh to our hypothalamus then to crh to then signal our acth to make cortisol.

So what im wondering, is hcg stored in the body after the half life time of around 30 hrs
Also how much hcg is required to continuously make hpta axis fully functional, we no roughly 1000iu a week can make us fertile in a few months and bring our ball size back even quicker etc , but how much is needed to make that signal to the hypothalamus? And is it the same signal you would get from having a proper luteinizing hormone? Or will the fact that hcg only mimics it we still loose a connection.

If we cant measure lh from taking hcg, then is there any data on measuring hcg in the blood ? For what im asking, or is it just hey take 250iu 3 times a week and your good... just curious is all.

I mean realistically the more lh we have to a degree means more testosterone etc and other hormones, so how does that relate to the amount of hcg we take.
Could you possibly test your cortisol levels to see if they're within range and adjust from there?

This is definitely above me but very interested in this
 
Could you possibly test your cortisol levels to see if they're within range and adjust from there?

This is definitely above me but very interested in this
You could test your acth, before hcg and after hcg, i went in to do acth but the clinic told me i had to go to the hospital, because that test had to be freezed dried or something, i said fak it and took my first 3 injections of 500iu to get the ball rolling, so unfortunately i faked that plan up.... i really wanted to see

Cortisol wouldn't help in this case, nor would a saliva, as it would or could show false low, from the low acth from having no hcg for 2 years.

Again this may not be the same for everyone, i started trt in a stressful state, so my adrenals etc were already taxed. With the added trt on top doing its job of lowering stress.
 
Tbh, you'd want to take hcg more so for the neurosteroids side of the coin. Mainly progesterone get's downregulated when balls are shut down. This impacts your sex drive. Also calmness, mood, ... alopregnenolone gets converted from progesterone to, so anxiety can creep up on you a bit ...

How I would go about hcg and dosages is; I would measure progesterone, DHEA, alopregnenolone, ... what ever you can measure, but progesterone would be #1. And basically adjust from there on. You can chose for your self, the same you can with test, on how high you want the levels to be.
 
In this article, or study it suggest that luteinizing hormone promotes the release of CRH in a dose-dependent fashion.




We no that by taking bio identical testosterone, the signal from the hypothalamus from the testicles, could be shut off due to the hypothalamus getting the signal that we have enough testosterone.

Since we have no luteinizing hormone when we are on trt , then its possible were loosing that feed loop from our lh to our hypothalamus then to crh to then signal our acth to make cortisol.

So what im wondering, is hcg stored in the body after the half life time of around 30 hrs
Also how much hcg is required to continuously make hpta axis fully functional, we no roughly 1000iu a week can make us fertile in a few months and bring our ball size back even quicker etc , but how much is needed to make that signal to the hypothalamus? And is it the same signal you would get from having a proper luteinizing hormone? Or will the fact that hcg only mimics it we still loose a connection.

If we cant measure lh from taking hcg, then is there any data on measuring hcg in the blood ? For what im asking, or is it just hey take 250iu 3 times a week and your good... just curious is all.

I mean realistically the more lh we have to a degree means more testosterone etc and other hormones, so how does that relate to the amount of hcg we take.
The book chapter you're refering to describes Leydig cell-derived CRH (in animal models). Leydig cell-derived CRH plays no endocrine role and will not have any influence on your HPA. (The book chapter itself even solely describes its paracrine role, too.)

How has your low cortisol been determined and has any diagnosis been made?
 
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Tbh, you'd want to take hcg more so for the neurosteroids side of the coin. Mainly progesterone get's downregulated when balls are shut down. This impacts your sex drive. Also calmness, mood, ... alopregnenolone gets converted from progesterone to, so anxiety can creep up on you a bit ...

How I would go about hcg and dosages is; I would measure progesterone, DHEA, alopregnenolone, ... what ever you can measure, but progesterone would be #1. And basically adjust from there on. You can chose for your self, the same you can with test, on how high you want the levels to be.
My dhea and progesterone is high.

I also supplement with pregnenolone, and it was too high last labs.
 
The book chapter you're refering to describes Leydig cell-derived CRH (in animal models). Leydig cell-derived CRH plays no endocrine role and will not have any influence on your HPA. (The book chapter itself even solely describes its paracrine role, too.)

How has your low cortisol been determined and has any diagnosis been made?
Yes, low cortisol i take adrenal cortex 3 to 4 times a day, but last few days i have felt better. If i lower my trt dosage to the 110mg a week range i do very well actually extremely well ,but when i get to the 150mg a week dosages it drians me.
I bumped back up to 150mg plus the hcg, so far so good....werid. so thats why i was wondering if theres a range woth the hcg. Etc

E2 is always checked always on point etc
I do extensive blood work, my doc lets me add anything i want.

Im also a night worker, for 4 years so my circadian rhythm is messed up.

Its hard to diognose low cortisol when someone is on nights, for 4 years , All saliva tests are inaccurate. I would need to be on days for a good length of time to get a good reading, so im not wasting anymore money on them, i no whats wrong, i just dont know if hcg will fix it. Theres really no explanation for feeling strength at low dose trt, and worse on a higher dosage.

iv been at this awhile, i do more blood work then most every 2.5 months, low blood cortisol confirms it when both am and pm are low, blood cortisol is bound and unbound, so when there both low , then its low. If they came back high, or at least 1 high then it is debatable, symptoms match the blood work, also my ft4 has always pooled and not converted to ft3 properly, basically no matter how much t4 i take it stays the same, due to low cortisol, but the adrenal cortex has helped me to get my thyroid hormones into the cells. When I lower my trt i also have to adjust thyroid hormones, so figure that one out lol.

My thyroid is under control now for the most part ft3 is top of reference range, but ft4 still a bit behind, if i can get that extra bump in cortisol from the hcg opening up old pathwas ,then id be happy.

Changes though when i excercise ,i feel fantastic, my cortisol comes back great am and pm, as i believe I stimulate my acth and then i get alot of circulating cortisol, but if i stop for a bit its pretty much like it runs out.

Only on first week of hcg, ill give it a few weeks and see of it works. Iv read other fourms where some say it changed them and other say it wasn't enough.

I also take prescription pregnenolone, and my last labs came back over the reference range so ill tinker with that as well.

Was just curious what other's thought about maybe starting to test hcg on blood work.
 
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For my part without HCG in TRT I have testicular atrophy the volume of my testicles is 7 and 6 ml.
So I take 1000-1500ui of HCG / weekly to find a volume between 17-15ml
You just make an ultrasound to be fixed
 
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